thawk 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hi everyone,I've got a Saiga 7.62X39 that has been striped down to only the receiver,barrel,and stock.I don't have any parts at all.After alot of reading it dosen't sound like it can be put back together(no replacement bolts avalible)but I though I would ask to be on the safe side.Thanks for any help you can give a newbee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Why not? just do the conversion from where you are, and use standard AK parts. You'll be fine, unless im missing something here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hi everyone,I've got a Saiga 7.62X39 that has been striped down to only the receiver,barrel,and stock.I don't have any parts at all.After alot of reading it dosen't sound like it can be put back together(no replacement bolts avalible)but I though I would ask to be on the safe side.Thanks for any help you can give a newbee Im not sure if a "standard" AKM bolt carrier group can be used in a Saiga, but I dont see why not. If nobody else responds with a Yay or Nay, I can run down and swap a Romy BCG into my Saiga and see if it seems to work. I really dont see a reason it wouldnt. The only thing I question is that extra "rivet" on the left side of the trunnion near the chamber. Does the barrel still have the gas block and front sight on it? And I still have all my trigger take off parts if youre looking to go back stock and not convert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mav 459 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 you can use surplus AK parts for what you cant get for saiga, but if you dont wanna mess with it, I might take it off your hands.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thawk 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Yes it still has the gas block and front sight and it has been converted.will make a nice gun if I can find all the parts to get it back together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hi everyone,I've got a Saiga 7.62X39 that has been striped down to only the receiver,barrel,and stock.I don't have any parts at all.After alot of reading it dosen't sound like it can be put back together(no replacement bolts avalible)but I though I would ask to be on the safe side.Thanks for any help you can give a newbee Just out of curiosity, where the hell did you get that? And a few more questions that'll help determine how difficult it would be to restore... Is the barrel still fixed to the receiver? Are the gas block and/or sight blocks still fixed to the barrel? If I recall correctly, the receiver is identical to an AK receiver, so parts should be relatively interchangeable. Others will know more. I've only owned Saiga shotguns, never the rifles. Get further clarification on this point before going forward. If all of the barrel parts are present and still fixed in their proper positions, it may be as simple as moving the trigger group forward in the receiver, installing a bullet guide, purchasing your 922R compliance parts and forearm furniture (more details available in THE LAW section of the forum on 922R) and dropping in a milled-receiver parts kit of your choice (one of our business members, Atlantic Firearms, has Egyptian kits for sale at a very reasonable price). If you wanted to go cheaper and easier yet, you can probably find a Contributor who has their factory trigger group leftover from their conversion and is willing to sell or trade it. Just drop that in, drop in the neccesary parts from the parts kit, buy and install a forearm, and you should be ready to go. If your gas block and sight blocks are missing, it becomes a little more challenging, and you will probably want to go to a gunsmith, or just sell your parts toward buying a complete rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 some has/had a gas tube for sale in the for sale section if you need one....if they still have it that is.... you should be able to pick up a handguard as well as some other parts, if you put up a WTB ad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Correct me if im wrong guys...and i know you will, lol. But if im not mistaken the Saigas all use AK-74 style parts, which should be pretty easy to get from places like K-VAR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Heh, a wrote a whole damned book and by the time I was done my question was answered! Well, you say it's converted so that makes things easier yet, so long as an AKM bolt/carrier works. Just buy a parts kit, furniture and compliance parts. From there it should be a matter of drop in, rock and roll! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thawk 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Can you buy complete parts kits that don't include the barrel?I'd be better off that way(never put a gun back together for scrach)and would save me a lot of trouble knowing I have all the parts I need Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 FWIW, I just tried both a Romanian BCG and a milled Bulgarian BCG and neither would function correctly in my Saiga. Both of the aforementioned rifles are of the 7.62x39 variety. Unfortunately, I dont have access to an AK74 style BCG, and that seems to be more of what these guns are styled on. The carriers do not appear to be the problem, it's the bolt. However, the Saiga bolt doesnt even function correctly in either of the carriers at all. Maybe someone has one and can try it out for you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thawk 0 Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Thanks everyone for all the help,I'll continue reading and trying to learn more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) From what I have read here, the bolt carrier has a different sized hole so a Saiga bolt wont fit/work in it. And if you want to try an AK74 bolt and carrier, the extractor will not work in a Saiga. If you can find a Saiga bolt, you can probably make something work with a AK74 carrier, but good luck finding parts. They are very few and even farther between. Some where in the X39 section, some one had a thread about a replacement bolt, and there is more info there. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. Edited October 25, 2009 by thehopping1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 you will need a ak100 style skinny stem bolt and carrier and you will more than likely need the barrel pulled and need a bigger barrel pin drilled due to the headspace being off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Some bits and pieces you might need. AK Parts Just poke around that site a lot there Edited October 26, 2009 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 You might try contacting Tony from Tromix, he seems to have a shit ton of parts floating around. Good luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 kvar has skinny stem 7.62x39 bolts so that should be a start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ripptide56 0 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I might be seeing things again,but I remember a topic here on the forum about different AK bolt firing group and firing pins and why they did or didnt work in the saiga. I tried doing a search but didnt find anything,so maybe you guys that remember it can find it and post it here. I remember it had alot of info and pictures a well..Good Luck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thawk 0 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Would it possible to take the Saiga receiver and a complete parts kit with a new barrel and not have the bolt/carrier problem?or is it the receiver that makes the problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 the only issue is you will probably never find a 7.62x39 ak kit with a 22mm barrel trunnion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Would it possible to take the Saiga receiver and a complete parts kit with a new barrel and not have the bolt/carrier problem?or is it the receiver that makes the problem? If you bought a complete de-mill parts kit you could build it on your receiver the same as you would a new receiver. I'm sure you could leave the rear trunnion in place as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Would it possible to take the Saiga receiver and a complete parts kit with a new barrel and not have the bolt/carrier problem?or is it the receiver that makes the problem? If you bought a complete de-mill parts kit you could build it on your receiver the same as you would a new receiver. I'm sure you could leave the rear trunnion in place as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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