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Man, I'm the opposite of you guys. I don't care what it is as long as it'll last and is RWD with a stick. I prefer Nissan or Chevy as those are the only two I know firsthand can take a serious thrashing. There are other cars that will "last", but they sure won't with me in them. My friend went through 3 Honda motors inside of 10k miles and just gave up on the brand. I'm sure they'd have held up highway driving, but I'd rather have a car that's gonna last while being mistreated.

 

 

Hells yeah no power, hells yeah gettin' sideways.

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I dont know about that. Sound a little odd. Toyotas and Hondas can take one hell of a beating. My friend once tried to kill his 88 Honda Prelude. 250,000+ miles. He wouldnt change oil, wouldnt shift gears until the car was well into redlining, never fixed the radiator leak or added antifreeze ...etc...etc. After about a year he just gave up and junked it. Still ran pretty good too. Just looked like it went through Baghdad on a bad day.

 

I've seen old Hondas abused like crazy and they still run like champs.

 

Elvis: Toyotas have that problem too. After about a 100k axles start going. My right axle makes noise. Not too bad but its there. Mechanic says I can get roughly another 50k-100k before it completely snaps. The 2.2ltr engine in my toyota went unchanged from 1993/94 - 2001/02. Known to be super reliable. The car will fall apart before the engine does. The only thing I wish is that my was a stick. The car in automatic is a little to heavy for that engine or the engine is just underpowered. Either way I wish it had more pep to it.

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Well, on the Honda, the axle didn't really go bad, I bounced the car off a curb, trying to miss a large truck coming around a curve on my side of the road. Of course, I yielded, but I hit the curb with the right side of the car, and the axle started clicking shortly thereafter. I just busted the boot, but it's too far gone to repair the boot now. Having blow shocks all the way around doesn't help either, but I'm going to replace the shocks before they tear up the wheel bearings, because I hate replacing wheel bearings.

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I dont know about that.

 

I do.

 

Sound a little odd. Toyotas and Hondas can take one hell of a beating.

 

I call BS on the Honda part, but I know that those old Toyotas can last a long time if you drive them like an old lady. I've seen those 250k mile Toyotas. I've seen those Honda motors go bad before 50k miles a few times. I know a couple guys that swear they last forever that I've never seen even get up to a speed limit, ignore actually beat on them. But I have 4 friends that actually know how to drive cars, and we've never had a Toyota or Honda engine last half a second. It's worse because those two also have the most expensive chassis and engines out there by far. You can buy two old Nissan cars for the price of a Honda or Toyota engine that is a day away from blowing. My friend replaced his for $3,500 each time with used Honda crap just to continue being slow because we knew so many people that swore by the brand. At this point, he'll run up to a kid wearing a Honda cap and smack it off his head out of anger.

 

Donuts, power sliding constantly, smokey burnouts, track days, that kind of stuff. Nissans will eat that up and spit it out. Some Chevys will too, but pretty much just the smallblocks. But those are built for the sole purpose of being able to take a beating like no other. And they didn't cheap out on brakes like Honda has since they came over here. Those things just aren't safe, there must not be any safety standard for braking in this country. I love hitting the brakes and having them completely faded and unable to stop from 60mph. Get one up to 80 sometime and hit he brakes, by 40 you should have nothing left and just roll for a while. BARF I think when people say Hondas can't BRAKE, people mean their engines last.

 

I know one guy that blew a Nissan motor, and I know two that have had the automatic trannies go. The automatic trannies I don't care about, because those all suck and they will all break. And if you beat on a car, they all go boom very very quickly. Anyway, the motor that went had over 200k on it. He buys it in Virginia, checks it over quickly, it isn't burning anything, so he drives it home on a marathon run. I don't know the speed, but it was whatever that thing can get up to, all the way home to southeast Connecticut. He gets 10 miles from home, boom. He checks the oil, not one drop in the thing. He left without a drop of oil, and there's a nice hole in the side of the block you can put your hand through. He spent $500 and got a new engine to hold him over until he can get an LQ in there. I have another friend that already has an LQ for his. I told them they're gay and to get LSs. His brother has an LT in his 92 Camaro and I have an LT as well. There's another 240 in the family, he keeps talking about staying Nissan with the engine and going RB26 or VQ. I'm all for it, but those engines are big with their OHC crap that does nothing. Which reminds me, I love to ask Honda guys why their engines are larger than my 350.

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I hate arguing on the internet, but there is no way your LT1 is smaller than a Honda 4 banger. My buddy's LT1 Z28 had part of the engine into the firewall.

 

Not trying to insult you here, because you seem like a relatively well informed guy, but you do understand that the LT1 is in a V configuration, with the cam on the bottom, correct? That means that there are 2 cylinder banks, with 4 cylinders on each side, with a head on each bank, whereas the Honda is an inline 4, with 2 cams on top (if it's a dual cam, mine only has 1), which might account for it appearing larger (read: wider).

 

I know you know all this, but I think that's a ridiculous claim to make, that your LT1 is smaller than a 1.5 honda.

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I love driving old Jap cars to see how long it will take where repairs dont justify keeping it. Currently I have an 01 Toyota Solara 4cyl 150k and only replaced the bettary and water pump. I'd buy the Sentra but they are a little to small for me. Not enough leg room. When this dies I'm going for a civic

 

2001?!? That's not old, not even 10 years, heh. Come back when it hits 20 years :P

 

The only metal parts of my truck which don't have rust are the replacement parts I've added. :)

 

It is a Toyota truck and the top speed is about 75-80 mph (maybe 90 down hill), but honestly in its condition I wouldn't really want to go much faster than that. The truck has about 165,000 miles on it and if I take reasonable care of it, I can probably do 200k or so, though I only drive it about 5k miles per year, since I normally ride a motorcycle. If I were to always drive it at 75 on the highway, take off quick stop lights, and never change the oil, I'm sure it would die much quicker... but that's pretty much any vehicle.

 

Here's an interesting story about a Civic with 940k miles.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/01/craigslist-find-of-the-decade-930-000-mile-95-honda-civic/

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I hate arguing on the internet, but there is no way your LT1 is smaller than a Honda 4 banger. My buddy's LT1 Z28 had part of the engine into the firewall.

 

Not trying to insult you here, because you seem like a relatively well informed guy, but you do understand that the LT1 is in a V configuration, with the cam on the bottom, correct? That means that there are 2 cylinder banks, with 4 cylinders on each side, with a head on each bank, whereas the Honda is an inline 4, with 2 cams on top (if it's a dual cam, mine only has 1), which might account for it appearing larger (read: wider).

 

I know you know all this, but I think that's a ridiculous claim to make, that your LT1 is smaller than a 1.5 honda.

 

 

its not into the firewall, the rear 2 cylinders sit underneath the cowl. part of the design was to get a better balance front to rear by pushing the motor back, as well as to incorporate the 'wedge' design of all 4th gen f-cars. i agree, it is definately not smaller then a 4cyl Honda.

 

while we were talking about gas mileage, the LT1 and LS1 cars with a 6-speed will routinely pull down 29+mpg's on the interstate. not too shabby for a 50+ year old push rod design.

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We useto have a 97 ford escort that got about 35mpg.

I wish I did not sell that thing, we had a coil pack go out on it after my wife drove it with the check engine light on for a month, turns out a spark plug wire fried, the insides looked like a cig ash.

 

Then later at about 130k the timing belt snapped (doh for me not changing it) I had just gotten out of surgery on my hand for a dirt bike misshap and she called me telling me the car did not want to go and the truck I had at the time was a stick, and me worried about a DUI for the pain meds they had me on...

My dad and I went out and pushed it home with his mini van, we had the belt replaced and it ran great after that. :super:

 

That little car was a tank, my wife finally talked me into selling it with almost 160k on the clock.

I was trying hard to keep it, I wanted to use it as a beater to save my the miles on my blazer...

 

Now she has a saturn aura with a nice 3.5l V6 that gets 29mpg highway, and a 0 to 60 of about 6.5 seconds (uses the chev malibu power plant).

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My fiesta was really lousy in the snow (probably something to do with the Spanish name). The best thing about it was the rear window defroster. It kept the hands warm of all the nice people that helped me get started at the intersections.

 

Now I have a chevy prism as my commuter car. 37 mpg average (and that's with letting it warm up on the cold mornings). Room for 4 midgets like myself. Not much of a manly vehicle though. I'd need to get another gremlin to really be styling. Come to think of it, I've really owned some tin cans over the years. Fortunately, I've always had a full size truck too, or my manhood would have suffered tremendously.

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My 87 Suburban gets around 12 MPG. My 85 Bronco about the same. i just can't picture myself in anything different when there is blizzard conditions at 90 MPH wind speed, snowing conditions, when all I want to do is get home. Small cars may be fine for city commuting, but aren't worth a hoot for long term, deer infested, isolated hiway commutes. Gas mileage would be a cool goal in a city environment. It just isn't a reality where I live. 4 wheel drive is a way of life.

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My fiesta was really lousy in the snow (probably something to do with the Spanish name). The best thing about it was the rear window defroster. It kept the hands warm of all the nice people that helped me get started at the intersections.

 

Now I have a chevy prism as my commuter car. 37 mpg average (and that's with letting it warm up on the cold mornings). Room for 4 midgets like myself. Not much of a manly vehicle though. I'd need to get another gremlin to really be styling. Come to think of it, I've really owned some tin cans over the years. Fortunately, I've always had a full size truck too, or my manhood would have suffered tremendously.

 

 

I'd drive the fuck out of a gremlin.

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I'm a fan of Hondas and always will be, as far as I'm concerned. The two I've owned have treated me great. Same goes for everyone that I know who drives them.

 

At this point, he'll run up to a kid wearing a Honda cap and smack it off his head out of anger.

 

Sounds like a cool guy. :rolleyes:

 

That's a good way for your buddy to get a tire iron implanted in his skull if he runs into the wrong person. I mean, really? Smacking a hat of someone's head because he doesn't like the brand on it? Gay.

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I hate arguing on the internet, but there is no way your LT1 is smaller than a Honda 4 banger. My buddy's LT1 Z28 had part of the engine into the firewall.

 

Not trying to insult you here, because you seem like a relatively well informed guy, but you do understand that the LT1 is in a V configuration, with the cam on the bottom, correct? That means that there are 2 cylinder banks, with 4 cylinders on each side, with a head on each bank, whereas the Honda is an inline 4, with 2 cams on top (if it's a dual cam, mine only has 1), which might account for it appearing larger (read: wider).

 

I know you know all this, but I think that's a ridiculous claim to make, that your LT1 is smaller than a 1.5 honda.

 

I also know that the Honda motor would not fit in my car. The engine is twice as tall, even sideways it wouldn't fit. I know my LT1 is heavier for sure, as it is iron. I know that every cylinder of mine is larger and longer as well. Not my fault they designed a shitty engine over in Nippon. And I was referring to a 1.6 or 1.8 B series, with the vtec module or whatever they call it. The longblocks in comparison are just silly. The first time I saw a DOHC 4 cylinder pulled I just stared at it in disbelief.

 

Also, your buddy's camaro didn't have the engine start until beyond the front axle, because it's a real car. My car is the same way, there's the front axle, a couple inches, and then the front of the block. On a Honda, you have a radiator and your exhaust manifold right there after it. All the way to the firewall there's longblock. They'd have to completely redesign my car to fit a DOHC engine into it, and it'd be awful because they'd have to raise the hood and therefore the cabin to see over it. Or, just lose ground clearance, which I'd not be happy with.

 

I mean, there are lighter and smaller DOHC 4 bangers out there that actually make power, but they don't come with the H on them. That's reserved for massive engines that make no power. They also don't have a $2 casting for a 4-1 exhaust manifold that leads to a 1-2 splitter so they can have two exhaust tips to fake the looks of a v like the ricer boys over at Honda HQ think up. Whoever decided on that should be shot, and everybody that goes along with it should be slapped.

 

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Uncle Ben approved!

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A TSX that has been lowered about 2" and had some wheels added, but is otherwise bone stock (at least on the outside)........is "rice" to you?? I guess we have differing definitions of "rice".

 

 

 

 

When I think "riced out", here's what I think:

 

 

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Yes, a 4-1-2 exhaust system to fake what kind of engine you have is rice. I can't imagine anything more ricey than faking something in your drivetrain. Intercooling a NA car, installing a whistle in your exhaust to mimic a turbo, dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder inline engine, etc. And it's stock. Stock rice.

 

I consider it a lot ricier than a bad body kit or lambo doors.

 

 

Oh and to explain what I mean, on the side of the engine, there is a cast exhaust manifold, it is the part of the exhaust that can handle the most heat, as it is mounted right to the block. It takes your 4 exhaust ports and brings them down to 1 pipe. That pipe then splits to two pipes, and those 2 go all the way back to make a fake dual exhaust. V and H engines have two banks of cylinders, each one with an exhaust manifold leading to a pipe that goes to the rear of the car. Honda fakes this by doing the 4-1-2, and it is the riciest thing next to ... ummm... actually being rice.

 

Oh and my friend actually did get beat up by a pack of wild puerto ricans recently because he called their ricer asses ricers. There were at least 40 of them. They beat up a few of my friends that night for it, in a wild rush of slow honda anger. He got the best of 4 of them, but they trashed a girls car, beat a girl to the ground 5 on 1, beat another friend of mine to the ground and stomped him (he was spitting up blood), and they got caught by the cops and let go for no reason. There is no love lost between people that own real cars and honda fags in this area. If they race, they lose, and they get angry and break things or hurt people. Not one of them ever came anywhere near me. And boy can they run! I didn't pull a knife or a gun or anything. Putting down a few of them would have been warranted though. They were like hyenas only miniturized. Afterall, the average hyena is like 80 pounds.

 

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BPS12, if your friend had a rotary engined car (from the factory) it was not a Toyota. Toyota did not produce rotary motors. Mazda did and started exporting them to the U.S. in the early '70s. In the '70s, I had a small 2 dr coupe and a 5 dr station wagon - RX 3 & RX 4. They also produced a rotary engined pickup - all this before the first RX 7 sport model.

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did you know that Camaros and Firebirds had fake dual exhaust too? yep, thats right! each exhaust manifold went from a bank of 4cyl down into a y-pipe where they joined together underneath the passengers front seat, ran all the way over the rear axle as one pipe, into a muffler where only at the point coming out of the muffler were they split into duals again.

 

just saying.

 

Yes, a 4-1-2 exhaust system to fake what kind of engine you have is rice. I can't imagine anything more ricey than faking something in your drivetrain. Intercooling a NA car, installing a whistle in your exhaust to mimic a turbo, dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder inline engine, etc. And it's stock. Stock rice.

 

I consider it a lot ricier than a bad body kit or lambo doors.

 

 

Oh and to explain what I mean, on the side of the engine, there is a cast exhaust manifold, it is the part of the exhaust that can handle the most heat, as it is mounted right to the block. It takes your 4 exhaust ports and brings them down to 1 pipe. That pipe then splits to two pipes, and those 2 go all the way back to make a fake dual exhaust. V and H engines have two banks of cylinders, each one with an exhaust manifold leading to a pipe that goes to the rear of the car. Honda fakes this by doing the 4-1-2, and it is the riciest thing next to ... ummm... actually being rice.

 

Oh and my friend actually did get beat up by a pack of wild puerto ricans recently because he called their ricer asses ricers. There were at least 40 of them. They beat up a few of my friends that night for it, in a wild rush of slow honda anger. He got the best of 4 of them, but they trashed a girls car, beat a girl to the ground 5 on 1, beat another friend of mine to the ground and stomped him (he was spitting up blood), and they got caught by the cops and let go for no reason. There is no love lost between people that own real cars and honda fags in this area. If they race, they lose, and they get angry and break things or hurt people. Not one of them ever came anywhere near me. And boy can they run! I didn't pull a knife or a gun or anything. Putting down a few of them would have been warranted though. They were like hyenas only miniturized. Afterall, the average hyena is like 80 pounds.

 

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My '64 Rambler American used to get 44mpg doing 80mph with the AC cranking! Today that 'sub compact' would be classified as a large sedan!

 

Can one of our resident geniuses please explain how cars can get LESS mileage if the "clean" and 'efficent' engines of today burn a lot more gas than their antediluvian primitive ancestors?

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Twinsen, I can understand hating on Honda's when they're riced out, that shit looks silly. But when someone is driving one as a commuter car, what's the fucking problem? What's your problem with a car that someone drives to get good gas mileage, not make tons of repairs, and last forever? I've got over 150k on my Civic, I think the timing belt got replaced around 120k, and I replaced the slave cylinder at around 130k. Aside from routine maintenance, it hasn't had anything done to it. And I know tons of people that have had the same experience with them.

 

I don't know what's wrong with you or your friends, tearing these things up, maybe y'all are just more hardcore in your ability to destroy stuff. Congratulations.

 

I've got a whole group of friends who build big block Pontiacs, some of which are stupid fast. One of the fastest Pontiacs I've ridden in is a GN with a T60-1, and it beats up on modded LSx engines on a regular basis, imagine that, a measly V6 beating on a V8. At least is RWD, right?

 

Don't get me wrong, I've got mad respect for LSx engines, I think they're one of the best platforms around. They guy I had helping me with my intercooler piping on my turbo Sentra has a 1600HP twin turbo T/A that he drives on the street. I can't remember what the end displacement is on the LS1 (if you can still call it that). It's a fucking beast, and he'll still drive it on the streets, occasionally.

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Twinsen, I can understand hating on Honda's when they're riced out, that shit looks silly. But when someone is driving one as a commuter car, what's the fucking problem? What's your problem with a car that someone drives to get good gas mileage, not make tons of repairs, and last forever? I've got over 150k on my Civic, I think the timing belt got replaced around 120k, and I replaced the slave cylinder at around 130k. Aside from routine maintenance, it hasn't had anything done to it. And I know tons of people that have had the same experience with them.

 

Nothing is wrong with that. Didn't say there was.

 

I don't know what's wrong with you or your friends, tearing these things up, maybe y'all are just more hardcore in your ability to destroy stuff. Congratulations.

 

It's always in defense, but ok. Well, except my friend telling a Honda racer that he's a fag every once in a while, but even then it's only after he opens his mouth.

 

I've got a whole group of friends who build big block Pontiacs, some of which are stupid fast. One of the fastest Pontiacs I've ridden in is a GN with a T60-1, and it beats up on modded LSx engines on a regular basis, imagine that, a measly V6 beating on a V8. At least is RWD, right?

 

Right.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I've got mad respect for LSx engines, I think they're one of the best platforms around. They guy I had helping me with my intercooler piping on my turbo Sentra has a 1600HP twin turbo T/A that he drives on the street. I can't remember what the end displacement is on the LS1 (if you can still call it that). It's a fucking beast, and he'll still drive it on the streets, occasionally.

 

I'll never have anything that powerful. That must be fun to drive.

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