Flasharino 166 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) Talk about buzz kills. I was all psyched to pick up my new Saiga 7.62x39 today from my local FFL dealer after ordering it on the Net and when I walked into the (fairly crowded) shop and told the owner I was there to pick it up he said "Yeah - we're sending it back!" The guy was P*SSED! He told me "They could tale my license away because that thing is on my store!" Apparently the state of CT has a ban on "AK-like weapons". The law mentions a number of specific weapons but the Saiga is NOT included in the list. I did not know this. Go figure that this dealer has a pile of Saiga .223's on the floor in his place but they are perfectly legal. So back to square one. I did all this research on the 39mms and I know that the ammo is nice and cheap! Can someone tell me if there are many other differences between the .223's (which I am thinking about buying now) and the 7.62x39mm's? I had ordered a bunch of parts, new stock etc. What a drag. I think I'll go have a drink. Happy Thanksgiving. Edited November 26, 2009 by Flash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Was your rifle converted? (pistol grip and other evil features?) It makes no sense that they would allow a .223 Saiga in sporter config but not an x39 Saiga in sporter config. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flasharino 166 Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Was your rifle converted? (pistol grip and other evil features?) It makes no sense that they would allow a .223 Saiga in sporter config but not an x39 Saiga in sporter config. No, this was a brand new, in-the-box, stock, sportster Saiga 7.62x39. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Find another dealer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Sounds like he was pissed because you bought it online instead of through him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Bingo! Always talk to the dealer first and if you get a bad vibe talk to a different one. The unfortunate reality is we have a lot of unscrupulous people involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mav 459 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Sounds like he was pissed because you bought it online instead of through him. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 yall can have vz58 cant you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 yall can have vz58 cant you. That's not the point here. Factory Saiga rifles are legal in Connecticut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G22Dude 0 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 My FFL in NJ tried the same thing. I ordered through another source Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) Flash, that FFL is either ignorant or a liar, (probably a bit of both). He sounds like an asshole as well. Sporter Saiga 7.62x39's are legal in CT. Find a scrupulous, knowledgeable one to deal with. I stand corrected. Those in CT have even fewer freedoms than I thought. Edited November 29, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 NJ dealers are iffy (charge like $50-60 for an xfer fee). My PA dealer is cool (table-top @ $35 xfer). Find another dealer. See if they have some (same model), ask if you can have one sent in first. Sounds like you got an A$$-hat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Point40SandW 0 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 If that gun is legal in CT (which it should be but I dont know CT law), then dont let him charge you to ship it back tell him if he wont ship it back on his dime then you'll be contacting a lawyer and the better business bureau. Also if you have a lawyer in the family or know one that will do you a favor have them write him a letter citing the law. That might be enough to enlighten him. Don't forget to remind him that we are all in this together. Sounds to me like he's saying that just because its chambered in x39 makes it illegal. Bet he sells x39 ammo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 i beleive the law says that any ak chambered in 7.62x39 is illegal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Boss 21 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 yall can have vz58 cant you. That's not the point here. Factory Saiga rifles are legal in Connecticut. Not entirely. 7.62x39 rifles utilizing the AK action are illegal in CT, they're legal in any other chambering. SKS rifles and VZ-58s are legal, as they aren't AK-based rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
opto_isolator 3 Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 http://www.jud.ct.gov/LawLib/Law/firearms.htm and http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=23411 Sorry! Fuckers.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Try contacting the seller (if a dealer) and see if they can send you a 223 version of it for even swap. Explain the retared law to them also and go for pity-pitch. Pay the shipping back if so and call it even I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Try contacting the seller (if a dealer) and see if they can send you a 223 version of it for even swap. Explain the retared law to them also and go for pity-pitch. Pay the shipping back if so and call it even I guess. The retarded law doesn't prohibit factory Saigas. If the law does prohibit "AK action" rifles in 7.62x39, it's a very wide law and can affect many firearms. I'd (re)suggest finding another dealer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 +1 Nalioth. Kalashnikov actions are not unique just to Saiga. Robinon Arms www.robarm.com sell a rifle that comes in .223, 6.8 SPCII and, yes, 7.62 x 39 and are based on the Kalashnikov action. Perhaps he has one of them in his store? I cannot believe that the law prohibits selling a Kalashnikov action rifle just because it is chambered in 7.62 x 39 Soviet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I cannot believe that the law prohibits selling a Kalashnikov action rifle just because it is chambered in 7.62 x 39 Soviet. ridiculous or not.. i DO believe that is EXACTLY what the law there says.. i remember talking about this along time ago when i first joined.. those of you that live in fairly free states can simply not relate to those of us who live in hostile anti-gun land.. stupid laws that make no sense are VERY common here (nj)... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Point40SandW 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I skimmed thru the firearms laws on the CT link and didnt see anything specifically banning 7.62x39 and AK action. But one thing about the those who write these laws is that everything has grey areas so if they want to prosecute you they will so be careful. If it's true then sorry man looks like you're SOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Boss 21 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Where the hell's Twinsen? He's from CT and up on the BS laws there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Boss 21 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Actually, yes, they do accept those parts, some via conversion, some are drop-in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Actually, yes, they do accept those parts, some via conversion, some are drop-in. The law doesn't say sh** about "converted" - it is referring to a factory condition Saiga. Please don't heap more limitations on yourself that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Actually, yes, they do accept those parts, some via conversion, some are drop-in. Actually, no, not one of those parts are "drop in". But thanks for playing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Boss 21 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Actually, yes, they do accept those parts, some via conversion, some are drop-in. The law doesn't say sh** about "converted" - it is referring to a factory condition Saiga. Please don't heap more limitations on yourself that way. I wasn't "heaping" anything. I'm saying that a factory 7.62x39 Saiga is still considered an "AK-type rifle" in CT, because of the receiver and basically the bolt-carrier / bolt and barrel being the same as an AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RPK 3 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) IIRC, what they determine an "AK-type rifle" to be is that it must be in 7.62x39, have a stamped sheet-metal receiver or milled receiver and capable of accepting most parts off of an AK-47 / AKM / AK-100 series rifle. So... the Saiga does not accept: An AK magazine An AK threaded muzzle brake An AK pistol grip An AK bolt An AK bolt carrier An AK FCG So what the hell do they consider to be "most" parts. Actually, yes, they do accept those parts, some via conversion, some are drop-in. The law doesn't say sh** about "converted" - it is referring to a factory condition Saiga. Please don't heap more limitations on yourself that way. I wasn't "heaping" anything. I'm saying that a factory 7.62x39 Saiga is still considered an "AK-type rifle" in CT, because of the receiver and basically the bolt-carrier / bolt and barrel being the same as an AK. Big Boss is right. CT has a list of banned by name firearms. http://www.ct.gov/dps/lib/dps/special_licensing_and_firearms/assault_weapons.pdf On that list is "Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type". The interpretation of that law is that any firearm with the AK action that shoots 7.62x39mm is banned. That is because of the addition of the word "type," which explains why we can have AR-15's but not Colt AR-15's, because the list specifies "Colt AR-15" and does not say "AR-15 type." Unfortunately the AK listing is the only one which says "type," otherwise we just couldn't have any gun that had "AK-47" stamped on the receiver. The saiga does count as an "AK-47 type" because it uses the AK action and fires 7.62x39mm. I know what everyone is going to say, that list and the interpretation doesn't make sense, but it doesn't have to because its the law. CT has a very different set of laws when compared to any other state. We can have military rifles, just not some types of military rifles. TS, I know which dealer you're talking about, they're pretty knowledgeable about the laws, but sometimes they do get things wrong. Like when they tried to tell my friend that a PSL is illegal, when in fact they aren't. Edited November 28, 2009 by rk5n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Rizzo 8 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I know what everyone is going to say, that list and the interpretation doesn't make sense, but it doesn't have to because its the law. Aint that the truth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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