etur 0 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Interesting. Pics? Welcome to the forum, by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etur 0 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Interesting. Pics? Welcome to the forum, by the way. Thanks! I will post pictures when I get home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaScott 6 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 And I thought this factory threaded barrel stuff to be a Saiga forum myth. Definitely post pics as soon as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 still only the second factory thread job ive hears of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 still only the second factory thread job ive hears of. +1 the second i have heard of. both are 09 models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kolya 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Were the notches cut into the side of the barrel for the lower handgaurd retainer? Does your barrel put the step into the neck of the casings? My brother picked up an '09 that has the notches cut into the barrel and it also does not step the cases... leaving me to believe he may have a barrel that is also threaded... (He plans on removing his FSB sometime in the near future, but hasn't yet) Edited December 18, 2009 by VIVIsectVI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Mine is 12/08 model that also has notched bbl, and no-step casings, and dimples.... hmmm. This could be an interesting thread.. Threaded would be sweet. Don't want to cut the 'sleeve' off yet though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etur 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 And I thought this factory threaded barrel stuff to be a Saiga forum myth. Definitely post pics as soon as possible. Here is the picture: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etur 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Were the notches cut into the side of the barrel for the lower handgaurd retainer? Does your barrel put the step into the neck of the casings? My brother picked up an '09 that has the notches cut into the barrel and it also does not step the cases... leaving me to believe he may have a barrel that is also threaded... (He plans on removing his FSB sometime in the near future, but hasn't yet) I didn't noticed any step in the casing but I did not look closely into any of them, I will check on this next week. I am not sure where these notches that you are talking about should I remove the handgaurd to be able to see them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Were the notches cut into the side of the barrel for the lower handgaurd retainer? Does your barrel put the step into the neck of the casings? My brother picked up an '09 that has the notches cut into the barrel and it also does not step the cases... leaving me to believe he may have a barrel that is also threaded... (He plans on removing his FSB sometime in the near future, but hasn't yet) I didn't noticed any step in the casing but I did not look closely into any of them, I will check on this next week. I am not sure where these notches that you are talking about should I remove the handgaurd to be able to see them? Yup Close up Far shot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chasser 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Wait so do all 7.62 saiga's have treaded barrels??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Killshot44 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So tell us: How did you remove the sleeve? What tools did you use? I've thought that there had to be thread under there. I also have a 5/09 manufacture date. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaScott 6 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have a late 08 model, so I'm starting to wonder. Guess I'll have to cross my fingers when I take that pipe cutter to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oliverb 4 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) On mine (other recent "threaded barrel" post) I drilled out the dimples (no pins) on both sides of the FSB but also slit the bottom of the FSB. Clamped the old sight into the vise between two blocks of wood and began twisting the rifle CW & CCW. With each twist the FSB loosened up more and eventually I could pull the barrel right out of the FSB. Imagine my surprise when I saw threads! FYI: You do have to be very careful when you use the cutting wheel to slit the bottom of the FSB so you don't notch the barrel because it is almost impossible to tell where the FSB metal stops and the barrel metal begins. I don't think minor nicking of the barrel is any problem but you don't want to cut deeply into it. The new FSB will cover any marks made on the barrel but if you have cut into the threads under the sleeve part of the FSB, you could be in trouble. I have not removed a pinned FSB but it does seem like these dimpled FSBs may be a little more difficult to remove. BTW, I need to give major thanks to all who have contributed their knowledge and experience with Saiga mods. I have now completed two Saiga conversions - a 410 and a 7.62 - and could not have done it w/o the help from contributors to this forum. If you thoroughly research and read up, you will be good-to-go when you start the conversion. I have the tools and mechanical ability but no gun-smithing experience. Once you start on a conversion and see the neat results, you are hooked and want to do more!! Edited December 18, 2009 by oliverb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
etur 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 So tell us: How did you remove the sleeve? What tools did you use? I've thought that there had to be thread under there. I also have a 5/09 manufacture date. i just use this Tubing Cutter : Link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 with the addition of oliverb's threaded, that makes 3 threaded. the first i heard of was a few months ago on this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) how thick is the sleeve, and how hard is it to pull off after you cut it. Im thinking of doing it and if there is thread then there is threads if not ill leave it as be or pin on a break. I live in NY so no threads for me unless i weld on a brake which i would do if there are threads I have a 08 model with cuts in it for the lower handguard retainer and it had a PG hole already cut into it, it also has dimples, so i wonder Edited December 18, 2009 by n102788 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 to bad the russkies cant put on a standard akm fsb and tack weld a barrel nut on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 how thick is the sleeve, and how hard is it to pull off after you cut it. Im thinking of doing it and if there is thread then there is threads if not ill leave it as be or pin on a break. I live in NY so no threads for me unless i weld on a brake which i would do if there are threads I have a 08 model with cuts in it for the lower handguard retainer and it had a PG hole already cut into it, it also has dimples, so i wonder the sleeve is not thick at all. you should be able to gauge thickness by looking at the end of the barrel at the sleeve itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 And you don't need to cut all the way through it. I cut most of the way through and used some channel locks to twist/break it free. I wish mine was threaded, it would have saved the nervousness of threading it myself(even though it was easy). Congrats Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kolya 0 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 It appears that the two features which indicate you have a factory-threaded, military version barrel as opposed to the standard civilian Saiga barrel are the addition of the notches for the lower handguard retainer and the lack of stepping in the cases. For those hoping to find threads hiding under the front sleeve of the FSB because of your manufacture date, I would assume that the lack of those two features assures you have the standard non-threaded barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
n102788 6 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) I have a 08 notches in the barrel for the LHG retainer,PG hole factory cut, dimples, but i do have the step neck. i just removed the sleeve to see if i have a threaded barrel and i DO NOT, sob F%*# S$%#. mother%$#$^$^. No biggy. anyway i live in NY so no threading for me. Edited December 19, 2009 by n102788 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have a 08 notches in the barrel for the LHG retainer,PG hole factory cut, dimples, but i do have the step neck. i just removed the sleeve to see if i have a threaded barrel and i DO NOT, sob F%*# S$%#. mother%$#$^$^. No biggy. anyway i live in NY so no threading for me. well that shatters my dreams! i have a march of '09 build with the LHG notches, PG hole, dimples, but i'm not sure about the stepped casings since i have yet to run brass thru it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailor 6 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 OK - interesting thread. If your Saiga has the following: recent manufacture (2009), Dimples, PG hole, No case neck ring, and Barrel lower HG notches - that seems to indicate a military barrel, as opposed to the modified civilian barrel. The military barrels are factory theaded, so that would seem to be worth the effort to cut off the "sleeve". Two questions. One - are the exposed threads after cutting off the sleeve adequate to accept a brake or flash suppressor (without removing the whole FSB)? Two - does having the barrel lower HG notches allow for different lower HG models to be attached without expensive clamps? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 MulletMan... 'but i do have the step neck' per n102788. If you have all the 'right' stuff you may have a threaded bbl. (No Step Chamber, BBL Handguard notches, dimples, and PG hole cut.) You may have read n102788 posts incorrectly. He did not have ALL the above. He had the STEP necked casings. I have ALL of these on mine 12/16/08 dated spec sheet. I go into NJ sometimes so taking off my muzzle end to CHECK isn't going to happen anytime soon though I wonder..... Sailor good question. How much THREAD do you need for a regular brake and what is the thread SIZE/PITCH and is it LH/RH on there.??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailor 6 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 YWHIC - The threaded photo shows 3/5 of the sleeve removed, the full sleeve was 1 actual inch. Thread count is 15 for 3/5, so one inch = 24 threads (from photo count). First thread at muzzle appears to run Left Hand = LH 1 in 24. Not measured, just looks that way in the photo. Search function is not helping! Is a threaded on brake important to be US made, for the 922r count? The compliance sticky is not clear on that. I see that the CSS bolt-on brake is really a suppressor, not a brake. Are bolt on brakes also available? Also, a brake needs to be aligned to be effective - threads alone hold it in place, or is a pin needed also? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 yes a muzzle attachment counts toward 922r. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mav 459 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Well all this got me to hoping, so I just took the sleeve off, no threads. Oh well, have a threaded FSB on the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Well all this got me to hoping, so I just took the sleeve off, no threads. Oh well, have a threaded FSB on the way what military characteristics does yours have and what is the date of manufacture? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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