gpqueen 545 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 SGM 308 bolt on muzzle brake now available $169.95 I will be testing one next week when I get time. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-371/SGM-Tactical-Saiga-308/Detail?sfs=4b7bb01c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Do you ship these to California? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThirtyAughtSix 101 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Let me know how the test goes, hopefully you get a good amount of rounds through it... Like I said in a previous thread about these, they would work great for me being in an AWB state but if it goes flying off down range I will be one sad sucker... PS: Thanks for getting that order out so quick, CSS always gets their stuff out quick... MAA does too but I need to spread the wealth in the non socialist way, more of the help as many vendors out as possible way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Let me know how the test goes, hopefully you get a good amount of rounds through it... Like I said in a previous thread about these, they would work great for me being in an AWB state but if it goes flying off down range I will be one sad sucker... PS: Thanks for getting that order out so quick, CSS always gets their stuff out quick... MAA does too but I need to spread the wealth in the non socialist way, more of the help as many vendors out as possible way. It will NOT go flying off down range! I've preformed some due-diligence research on this sweet little item...(actually, my honey-bunny got this rolling with her efforts to secure a good deal on one of these for me for Christmas). The SGMTR308 .308 Saiga Rifle Muzzle Brake from SGM Tactical incorporates some sophisticated engineering. It will function on ONLY THE SAIGA .308 RIFLE with the current configuration of FSB and ~1/4-inch of barrel-stub-cap that extends forward of the FSB's forward-ridge, that portion of the barrel end that closes around the muzzle/crown. Most of the brake encapsulates the barrel, and around the base of the FSB, and a bit more of the barrel behind the FSB. The entire unit is locked in-place with 4 good- sized Allen screws through the removable top bracket portion and into the lower portion that's around the barrel behind the FSB. If you Loc-Tite up this assembly, it's going no-where! This part is sketchy for me, but IIUC, the unit comes with a spacer/shim support system, that along with a 5th and smaller Allen screw in the bottom of the brake, is used and set in conjunction with a brightly colored centering spud, that's inserted into the brake and muzzle for precise alignment. If my sweetie ordered one for me for Christmas...I hope I hope...I'll maybe have one by this Saturday and will effort to get pics and more details ASAP. IT'S PRICEY YES! But jeeze...the guys at SGM Tactical engineered this for ONE RIFLE ONLY. Edited December 23, 2009 by CaptSkip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yeah good solution from the looks of it, kind of obvious it isnt going anywhere. Only question is performance. Let us know please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeepranch 16 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 a flash hider is what I need, anyone know if that is in the works? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 since there is two different barrel ods on the 308 at the muzzle. would there be a difference in the fsb sizes and will it work right on both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 since there is two different barrel ods on the 308 at the muzzle. would there be a difference in the fsb sizes and will it work right on both? My guess is that the shim/spacer set-up addresses that issue. Apparently the only potential NO-GO situation is if there is NOT at least 3/16ths inch of barrel 'stub' out in front of the FSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Do you ship these to California? Yes we ship to CA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Do you ship these to California? Yes we ship to CA. COOL BEANS!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'm thinking of picking up a S308 pretty soon and I would be interested in something like this. I plan on making mine a Saigunov and would prefer something that looked like the standard Dragunov flash-hider though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I am really looking forward to this. Looks like a great part! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigboi23847 1 Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 I got mine today. This thing is HUGE! Its about 4-6 inches. Got it on now just to fit it. Need some loc-tite. Seems ok. Will post pics later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Got mine today, opened my present early! The unit is 4&7/8 inch long. Additional length to the OAL at the barrel end is ~2&1/16 inch. The rest of the brake encompasses the FSB and barrel. This is HEAVY. I'm not sure I'd want this on the end of a 22-inch barrel...then again maybe not as necessary as on the 16.34 inch gun. If shooting with a bi-pod, prone, I suppose that extra tip-of-the-barrel weight doesn't matter?? Precise engineering. For sure a bit of filling of the sight base at the front corners and possibly along the sides of the sight base is going to be needed on mine. Edited December 24, 2009 by CaptSkip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Many pics would be nice from you guy who have one. I certainly would appreciate it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I got mine today. This thing is HUGE! Its about 4-6 inches. Got it on now just to fit it. Need some loc-tite. Seems ok. Will post pics later. Hey bigboi, Problem. Despite much pounding with a rubber mallet, mine will not seat to the point the sight is fully forward in the slot! Curses. Does yours seat with the sight fully forward in the slot? Mine is about 1/4 inch back, and the clamping section will not seat fully for the front allen bolts. Anything unique that you noticed as you pushed yours into place? I can't figure where it's hanging up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigboi23847 1 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I got mine today. This thing is HUGE! Its about 4-6 inches. Got it on now just to fit it. Need some loc-tite. Seems ok. Will post pics later. Hey bigboi, Problem. Despite much pounding with a rubber mallet, mine will not seat to the point the sight is fully forward in the slot! Curses. Does yours seat with the sight fully forward in the slot? Mine is about 1/4 inch back, and the clamping section will not seat fully for the front allen bolts. Anything unique that you noticed as you pushed yours into place? I can't figure where it's hanging up? Mine won't seat all the way forward either. I don't really think it has to. I think thats why you have to have that certain amount of space at the end of the front sight. Like 3/16 of an inch or something similar. Did you put the spacer and the little screw at the bottom in before you put the top allen screws in? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) I got mine today. This thing is HUGE! Its about 4-6 inches. Got it on now just to fit it. Need some loc-tite. Seems ok. Will post pics later. Hey bigboi, Problem. Despite much pounding with a rubber mallet, mine will not seat to the point the sight is fully forward in the slot! Curses. Does yours seat with the sight fully forward in the slot? Mine is about 1/4 inch back, and the clamping section will not seat fully for the front Allen bolts. Anything unique that you noticed as you pushed yours into place? I can't figure where it's hanging up? Mine won't seat all the way forward either. I don't really think it has to. I think thats why you have to have that certain amount of space at the end of the front sight. Like 3/16 of an inch or something similar. Did you put the spacer and the little screw at the bottom in before you put the top Allen screws in? I did not get to the point of attempting to slip the spacer in-between the barrel and the brake and sliding it in-place with the notch in the hole and all...I stopped the process when not able to get the brake fully rearward with the sight post fully forward into the slot. On mine, the smaller spacer-setting Allen screw was already in place in the bottom of the brake, but below flush so as to not interfere with sliding the brake reward. I say sliding...I really mean beating the ever-loving-shit out of the end of the brake with my rubber mallet, LOL. Well, maybe not that bad, but certainly no sliding going on...rubber mallet WHACKS required! And without the sight post being fully forward in the slot, the drop-in clamp-down piece with the 4 large Allen bolts will NOT seat flush at the front two allens...it's resting higher on the back end of the sight-post. BUT, I think I may now understand the malfunction-at-the-junction. I'll call the SGM folks Monday morning to see if this is correct or not. On Edit 12-30-09: My observations on my set-up in the next three paragraphs are INCORRECT. Unable to get a caliper up into the tight space I was 'eyeballing' and eyeballing incorrectly...as the SGM rep advised...the forward face/edge of the end of the barrel assembly is LARGER than the innermost opening of the brake, and that's where forward travel stops. On my rifle, the FITTING REQUIRED TO ENABLE THE CLAMPING PIECE TO FIT FLUSH WITH THE LOWER MAIN PORTION OF THE BRAKE, AND ALLOW NORMAL TORQUING OF THE ALLEN SCREWS, WILL REQUIRE 'DREMELING'/REMOVING METAL AT THE BACK OF THE FRONT SITE POST. If you shine an LED flashlight into the brake from the back, you'll see the inner-most circular opening inside the brake where the minimum 3/16-inch length of the FSB/barrel cap that rolls over the barrel's muzzle/crown inserts furthest into the brake. On my S308 it's 1/4 inch long...4/16 inch. DIRECTLY behind that innermost opening, is the first metal step-down cut into the brake's steel, that then has a sharp edge step-down to the bottom interior surface of the brake that the shim/spacer rides on when finally in-place. The front-to-back distance of that first step appears to be exactly the distance necessary to get the brake fully rearward, and the front sight fully forward into the slot. I believe the FSB ridge that goes around the barrel is butting into that sharp-edge step-UP from the bottom most inner surface of the brake as you slide/'mallet' the brake rearward, and STOPS progress from completion when those surfaces meet. It seems that if the spacer were already in place, maybe the barrel would be lifted enough to get the FSB ridge over that lower-most step-UP...or possibly rounding/polishing just the FSB's ridge leading edge would smooth it/reduce it enough to lift up and over that bottom-most step-UP, and fully seat the brake with the minimum 3/16 inch+ fully into the forward most opening in the brake?? I'm holding off until I talk to an engineering type person at SGM. I'm confident this is understandable and do-able...maybe a better step-by-step than with the instructions included! Edited December 30, 2009 by CaptSkip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 $169.95. Two years ago you could buy an S223 for just over $200. Seeing as you're beating the shit out of your gun anyway, why not just remove the front sight post and thread the barrel. You'll wind up with something less costly, more reliable, and much lighter. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 $169.95. Two years ago you could buy an S223 for just over $200. Seeing as you're beating the shit out of your gun anyway, why not just remove the front sight post and thread the barrel. You'll wind up with something less costly, more reliable, and much lighter. Gee...thanks so much for your helpful nature as well as your tremendous insight on inflation as relates to how much less we all use to spend on guns & ammo. Here are the details on this custom designed brake that is made for one rifle only, the Saiga .308. I think I'll spend my money the way I'd like, and final overall cost, reliability and quality of function just may be superior to YOUR choices. Schadenfreude much? Slides Around the Stock Rifle Front Sight Locks Tight Around Front Sight and Barrel Includes Allen Wrenches and Barrel Alignment Rod Actual Installed Weight 14 Ounces Get on Target, Keep Your Barrel Down Designed Specifically for the .308 Saiga Rifle 4140 Heat Treated Steel Black Oxide Finish Drastically Improves Accuracy - The Real Deal Some of us will give this custom designed brake from SGM a try. Stay tuned...or not! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Well, if it does work it will probably be the first pin on, screw on, pin on type muzzle brake for the S308 that works up to expectations (and they should be high expectations at that price, but hey I agree it's your money). My "insights" were that in years of posting and trolling this board almost all that have started with intentions of using a screw on brake have either given up or gone the route of threading the barrel. Most products "designed specifically for the S308" have had some fit issues, etc. Sorry if you happen to mistake skepticism for schedenfreude. And oh yes, let us all know how that "dramatically improves accuracy" thing works out for you... If nothing else should make you run for cover, a claim like that surely will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Well, if it does work it will probably be the first pin on, screw on, pin on type muzzle brake for the S308 that works up to expectations (and they should be high expectations at that price, but hey I agree it's your money). My "insights" were that in years of posting and trolling this board almost all that have started with intentions of using a screw on brake have either given up or gone the route of threading the barrel. Most products "designed specifically for the S308" have had some fit issues, etc. Sorry if you happen to mistake skepticism for schedenfreude. And oh yes, let us all know how that "dramatically improves accuracy" thing works out for you... If nothing else should make you run for cover, a claim like that surely will. So you fully admit to being a troll? Wow. But your also a know-it-all as well? I'll just PM all my observations and notes to you for editing prior to posting. Is there an ignore feature on this site?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Yep, a troll with over 680 posts and two dozen conversions under my belt. Best of luck. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigboi23847 1 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Gentlemen, gentlemen. Please, we're all on the same side here. Hopefully I will get to test my 308 out this coming weekend. Then I will let you all know if it is truly worth the money. Until next time.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 this is what i was wonderin about with all the variances out there on these russian guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) Yep, a troll with over 680 posts and two dozen conversions under my belt. Best of luck. Well thanks so much! You certainly have an interesting way of "rolling out the welcome mat" with un-helpful snarky postings to a new member whose first instinct was to join this site with a monetary contribution and then begin posting here to try to contribute and help folks. Have I made a mistake? I have a sweeet SAR-1 with a threaded barrel and a Primary Weapons Systems FSC47. I'm aware of features and benefits to a number of designs and weapons platforms. I'm on this thread because I'm trying this muzzle brake system and wanting to help folks that have also chosen to try this system. That is all. It's fairly obvious a few here have already made the investment into this brake system and are efforting to make it work. So your advice in beginning in #19 is to realize the error in our purchase, give-up, toss the SGM brake in the trash, and 'do it right' by threading the barrel. What have you contributed to the OP'ers subject, content and intent in the thread except to let everyone know you think it's all a mistake? So pardon me If I responded negatively right-back-at-you...my mistake was taking the bait. Sorry. Edited December 28, 2009 by CaptSkip 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Back onto solutions! I've e-mailed questions on fully seating the brake to technical support. I'll post the info as soon as I receive a response! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptSkip 0 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Wow! Super customer service from Surefire Gun Mags/ SGM Tactical! I just had a super-nice conversation with a company representative...who called me...to help me through my issues and clarified a number of areas I was not understanding correctly. However, my roofer is coming in a few moments to help me with a leak issue, so I'll have to post what SGM advised for my situation later this evening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Cool still waiting to see the results of this before considering it. One thing must be understood. Threading the barrel may cause you problems in the future given the silly laws being enacted or if you ever decide to sell the rifle. That alone may be reason enough for this product if it works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThirtyAughtSix 101 Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Cool still waiting to see the results of this before considering it. One thing must be understood. Threading the barrel may cause you problems in the future given the silly laws being enacted or if you ever decide to sell the rifle. That alone may be reason enough for this product if it works. Yep, I want a "flash hider", but will settle on a brake because a "flash hider" would turn my S308 magically into an "assault weapon". Also, if I thread my barrel, it will also then magically become an "assault weapon" in the wonderful state I live in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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