flg8r 0 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Check these guys out! Awesome modifications for the Saiga! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 wow.. makes me proud to own a saiga.. sick video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I've always admired the work the 3-gun guys put into there guns. A lot of performance based ingenuity. I wish there was a better following localy for ipsc for anything other than pistols. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR Young 175 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) That was posted in another thread today... Edited December 31, 2009 by TR Young Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 yes it was......teammates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
misternt 3 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Great looking guns and target setup. Talented shooters and amazing reload times. I saw the youtube comments and was also wondering about the sound at 3:02 the whooshing noise. Do the dual compensators help a lot with recoil? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wow...Robert's "R&R Trolls" hit yet another thread in yet another board Alex 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BruisedShoulder 7 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is there a kit or is it simply a number of different modifications? BTW, it is amazing how fast they swap out mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belt fed frog 56 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) i like the "tits up" silhouette that kicks it`s feet in the air after it goes down Edited December 31, 2009 by belt fed frog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wow...Robert's "R&R Trolls" hit yet another thread in yet another board Alex The funny thing is that flg8r is some guy from Florida that happened to see the video and post it here. As for the Troll thing, I've seen you in person and you're no prize. You might want to tone it down a notch and lay off the personal stuff. Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wow...Robert's "R&R Trolls" hit yet another thread in yet another board Alex The funny thing is that flg8r is some guy from Florida that happened to see the video and post it here. As for the Troll thing, I've seen you in person and you're no prize. You might want to tone it down a notch and lay off the personal stuff. Doug thin skin much? Probably not the best forum for that... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wow...Robert's "R&R Trolls" hit yet another thread in yet another board Alex The funny thing is that flg8r is some guy from Florida that happened to see the video and post it here. As for the Troll thing, I've seen you in person and you're no prize. You might want to tone it down a notch and lay off the personal stuff. Doug thin skin much? Probably not the best forum for that... Ouch, now I'm going to have to endure a rash of lotion comments from my shooting buds. I already got a call from one asking if I need some Ivory soap. Told him no thanks, it drys my skin. Here is a shot of me from Ironman 2008, looking only slightly Trollish. I'll be shooting Open with my Saiga in 2010 so I don't have to have shell strippers all over my body! Doug (Troll #1) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 watching closely..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ouch, now I'm going to have to endure a rash of lotion comments from my shooting buds. I already got a call from one asking if I need some Ivory soap. Told him no thanks, it drys my skin. Here is a shot of me from Ironman 2008, looking only slightly Trollish. I'll be shooting Open with my Saiga in 2010 so I don't have to have shell strippers all over my body! Doug (Troll #1) Theres the sense of humor you'll need to survive! where does tha mag go in that gun? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Sorry guys, but based on pure aesthetics. . . that red modified S-12 made my dick hard. SWEET looking!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhound 91 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Gary, I agree. That red is something! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NORMAFAN 0 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Wakal, I am curious what you don't like about the R&R saiga or the reason for the comments? I am glad there are multiple people doing work on these for 3gun as I think it can only make it better and more useful. Also I understand Taran was to get one of yours, how is that working out? Do you have any vids of your saigas? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Robert likes to rip off other people's work...Texas Stars, mag wells, comps, AR grip adapters, the idea for a side-release mag well...also, I've advised on several repairs of guns he sold customers, just to make them work reliably. Odd that, since my guys spent many hours on the phone teaching Robert how to make Saigas function, as has Jack T and others Douggie boy has been trolling around on other boards as a shill for Robert; he just hasn't been busted on this one for pimping Yeah, we built Taran Butler's new Saiga. Taran didn't like the Tromix gun, and broke Jack's gun. Our guns run, so he had us build one. It ran. If he hadn't tried "boonie-pack" magazines, he would have done better than fourth at the '09 USPSA Nationals There is brand new Saiga system in work right now, as a result of a team of like-minded folks (several of whom are regulars here). It is like nothing else, and actually works...cuts in a plastic magazine that index on a metal tab, well, not so much (for long), nor does magazines with most of the front edge cut off. Paint is one thing, functionality is another Alex 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 It looks like there is a plate welded onto the sides, that doesnt look like the standard saiga receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Douggie boy has been trolling around on other boards as a shill for Robert; he just hasn't been busted on this one for pimping Alex PM's have been sent to curb the ad assault..... waiting to see how people respond with hammer in hand.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Waiting for the New Year to join the Business Members, See you in 2010. Doug Edited January 1, 2010 by Doug H ad links removed..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 You guys all know you pimping the same ride. Alex has been a member in good standing for years and has never been shy about sharing tricks of the trade and contributed a lot when it comes to this gun becoming main stream in the U.S.. For years, it was Alex and the Finnish Team Shitbirds members that showed their innovations to the forum membersin this arena. I've dealt with Robert and Jack a bit too. All these guys get A+ ratings for customer service in my book(even if you have problems with each other), the problem is on the business side and at some point in competition you're all in it to win. This is about one upmanship. You will all continue to thrive and improve on designs. You are all at the top of your class. Don't make this ugly, show us what you've got because 98% of us will never be on top of our game like the three main players are and the same 98% will envy what you've accomplished. I for one enjoy seeing what you guys are capable of producing and seeing the difference between an average shooter and someone that has taken the time and effort to practice and be at the top of their game. Please don't get threads like this pulled. Good night all and welcome to 2010, shitfaced poster out.............. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Robert likes to rip off other people's work...Texas Stars, mag wells, comps, AR grip adapters, the idea for a side-release mag well...also, I've advised on several repairs of guns he sold customers, just to make them work reliably. Odd that, since my guys spent many hours on the phone teaching Robert how to make Saigas function, as has Jack T and others Douggie boy has been trolling around on other boards as a shill for Robert; he just hasn't been busted on this one for pimping Yeah, we built Taran Butler's new Saiga. Taran didn't like the Tromix gun, and broke Jack's gun. Our guns run, so he had us build one. It ran. If he hadn't tried "boonie-pack" magazines, he would have done better than fourth at the '09 USPSA Nationals There is brand new Saiga system in work right now, as a result of a team of like-minded folks (several of whom are regulars here). It is like nothing else, and actually works...cuts in a plastic magazine that index on a metal tab, well, not so much (for long), nor does magazines with most of the front edge cut off. Paint is one thing, functionality is another Alex To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "There you go again Alex". How bout we cut the BS. Here are some facts: The R&R star is a one of a kind design, with long armed plates that release near the center of rotation. This gives it a faster spin when shot and makes it easier to carry when setting it up unlike a Texas Star where the plates are attached at the end of the arm. http://www.randrtargets.com/target_five_point_suprise.htm (R&R Five Point Suprise) Robert's straight insertion magwell is unlike any other on the market. Alex says they have a prototype that few have seen. R&R's magwell is in production, on customer guns and in the patent process. http://www.randrtargets.com/images/product_images/saiga_open_red_003.jpg (R&R Magwell) JP Enterprises developed the mid barrel shotgun comp in the '90s and had it patented. Below is a link to an article about JP's comp from the Oct 1999 issue of Guns Magazine, long before you thought of a comp. Robert worked with JP in designing his comp, and has the JP Enterprises logo etched on his comps with their permission. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_10_45/ai_55605806/ ( JP Mid Barrel Shotgun Comp Article) http://www.randrtargets.com/images/product_images/saiga_comp.jpg As for Butler's unfortunate finish at the Multigun Nationals with your Saiga, I would not be surprised to hear he is shooting something else next year. Guys that normally win every year don't like to come in fourth, it upsets the sponsors. As for your new Saiga venture I say good luck. Innovation and invention are the hallmark of a healthy sport. There is always room for more quality products. If it is quality it will sell, if not I fear we will just hear more trash. Doug See the R&R Targets Saiga 12 in Action video: See you at the SHOT SHOW - Booth # 13876 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Ah, the facts...they get in the way of every Texas Star discussion... The R&R star is a one of a kind design, with long armed plates that release near the center of rotation. This gives it a faster spin when shot and makes it easier to carry when setting it up unlike a Texas Star where the plates are attached at the end of the arm. Yeah, one of a kind...interesting that Mike of MGM also makes a "one of a kind design" Texas Star and was man enough to call the orgininal Texas Star designer, Terry, and talk over what was going on. Terry has been getting phone calls for years to fix those "damn fucked up no-working Stars" that turns out to be...well, not Terry's or Mikes Odd, that. Still, business is business. I figure folks spends their money and takes their chances, but everyone should know some facts up front with who (or what) they are dealing with Alex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dustin Lohof 1 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Ah, the facts...they get in the way of every Texas Star discussion... The R&R star is a one of a kind design, with long armed plates that release near the center of rotation. This gives it a faster spin when shot and makes it easier to carry when setting it up unlike a Texas Star where the plates are attached at the end of the arm. Yeah, one of a kind...interesting that Mike of MGM also makes a "one of a kind design" Texas Star and was man enough to call the orgininal Texas Star designer, Terry, and talk over what was going on. Terry has been getting phone calls for years to fix those "damn fucked up no-working Stars" that turns out to be...well, not Terry's or Mikes Odd, that. Still, business is business. I figure folks spends their money and takes their chances, but everyone should know some facts up front with who (or what) they are dealing with Alex I agree with you Alex, everyone should know the facts up front. Fact is, Robert Wright of R&R Targets is one of the most truthful and honest people that I've ever met. Are you kidding about the Texas Stars? I've shot a lot of matches over the years and have probably seen at least 5 different ways to attach a plate to the fucking thing. They all seem to work and I'm not going to tell anyone which one I think is best. Believe me, like everything, one way is better than the rest. Economy of motion and simplicity usually are my first chose. There is no Texas Star discussion, It's dumb and Al Gore did not invent the internet. Alex, I'm begging you to please stop trying to assassinate Robert's character. This hole thing is fucking dumb. In my shooting world Roberts character is beyond reproach, as are his products. Robert is one ex-Marine that I wouldn't want to be telling lies about. I'm not trying to get any thread shut down but I just can't let this slide, Dusty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saiga wannabe1 0 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 wow the cat claws came out and alot of biotchin persued ......bottom line neatest conversions I have came across looks like the r&r guys are making some of the other vendors nervous with the big red viagra gun (makes mine hard too) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NORMAFAN 0 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Wakal, What are "boonie pack" magazines and what was the problem as they related to the saiga you built for him? I am sure you were proud of Taran with your baby, so how about some links to video, I would like to check yours out also. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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