monomonk 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 My Saiga 7.62 by 39 has a rather poor trigger. Much worse than my Saig .308. I would l would like to improve the trigger pull but I do not care to transform the rifle into the AK pistol grip configuration. Can I improve the trigger pull by merely replacing the trigger assembly without doing a full conversion? Is this worth doing? If yes, what is the best replacement trigger that will fit? Thanks, Monomonk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvasqu03 21 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 My Saiga 7.62 by 39 has a rather poor trigger. Much worse than my Saig .308. I would l would like to improve the trigger pull but I do not care to transform the rifle into the AK pistol grip configuration. Can I improve the trigger pull by merely replacing the trigger assembly without doing a full conversion? Is this worth doing? If yes, what is the best replacement trigger that will fit? Thanks, Monomonk <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Unfortunately, nobody curently makes a replacement Saiga trigger. The only triggers out there are for the US parts conversion, and there are plenty of them. I've been looking into this because I'd like to add a feedramp legally while keeping my Saiga in it's original configuration. The trigger itself is probably not the problem though, it might have more to do with the rest of the fire control parts or how they're put together. Ask around to see if anyone is familiar with improving the trigger pull. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jtoddellis 2 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I don't know if it will work but, if you like the trigger pull of the .308 better See if someone who has done the conversion on a .308 will sell you there old FCG. I don't see why it wouldn't fit in the 7.62x39 receiver. Just an idea. If it will not work I'm sure others will chime in to correct me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennb 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 My Saiga 7.62 by 39 has a rather poor trigger. Much worse than my Saig .308. I would l would like to improve the trigger pull but I do not care to transform the rifle into the AK pistol grip configuration. Can I improve the trigger pull by merely replacing the trigger assembly without doing a full conversion? Is this worth doing? If yes, what is the best replacement trigger that will fit? Thanks, Monomonk <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The trigger and "hooks" in the OEM FCG are proprietary, and are connected by a transfer bar. There are plenty of variables there; you may have been lucky with your .308 trigger in getting one with a good feel. The "hooks" may actually be the biggest factor in your trigger pull; the trigger itself mainly pushes on the rear end of the transfer bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monomonk 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I did some sanding and lubricating this afternoon with little improvement. I think the design is bad. There is a distinct take-up which is heavy and then the actual release of the hammer, also effortful Is all of this hopeless without a complete conversion? Monomonk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monomonk 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 My Saiga triggers: 7.62 by 39 versus .308. It seems to me that these two are different in design, at least to some extent. In contrast to the substantial, heavy take-up of the 39, the .308 has a very short, light take-up. The actual firing by the .308 is lighter and smoother than on the 39. If I could duplicate the .308 pull in the 39, I would be satisfied. Both would be decent, in my opinion, but still not as good as my MAK-90. Monomonk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getit 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 i might be going out on a limb here but maybe take a very little off the hook so u dont have to pull as far and maybe keep it in the sweet spot,also maybe the pitch of the hook where it rides on the hammer...run it thru and watch closely as i think u will see where the prob is....i have extra triggers for the 762 as i am sure many others here do, still on that limb! dont be scared to play w/ it and do little and check results.... the ONLY way to learn is hands on!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monomonk 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I apologize if I am overposting on this topic. And I admit that I am a total novice when it comes to rifles and to these issues. By comparing the Saiga .308 with the MAK-90, I see that they operate quite differently. The Saiga trigger PUSHES the sear off the single hook to release the hammer. The MAK-90 releases the sear only by moving the double hooks. There is no contact or pushing by the rounded middle part of the trigger which is near the sear. The MAK RELEASES the sear; the .308 PUSHES the sear off the hooks. Obviously the MAK mechanism is much lighter and really amounts to a single stage trigger. The goal, I suppose, is to adjust the parts so that the Saiga firing mechanism works like that of the MAK. Is this possible? Are the parts similar enough to allow this? This is my nairve observation. Please correct and inform me. Monomonk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennb 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 (edited) monomonk, in the original configuration, you always have that transfer bar to contend with, which connects the trigger unit to the disconnector/hooks. Your MAK-90 has the hooks/trigger in one unit, which also shares the axis pin with and cradles the disconnector. Unless you go with the conversion, you won't be able to duplicate the trigger in the MAK-90. Before I did the conversion I tried polishing the entire linkage in place, with no decent results. You could modify the hooks (at your own risk of course), but you would still have to contend with the contact surfaces where the trigger meets the transfer bar, and transfer bar meets the hook unit. As far as pulling the trigger and transfer bar out, those are on fixed axis pins, so you would have to come up with new axis pins and a way to retain them to get them back in. Are you set on keeping the rifle in original condition? Edited March 26, 2005 by glennb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monomonk 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 "Are you set on keeping the rifle in original condition?" Yes. I have read through the instructions for making a conversion. I don't care that much about having a pistol grip on the Saigas. All I want is a better trigger pull. I have polished and oiled the crucial surfaces on the .308 and short Russian and do not detect improvement. I am very vague on the names of rifle parts. I suppose what I was saying in a previous post was that on the MAK the disconnector doesn't even touch the hammer during firing. Firing is accomplished solely by the hooks moving down and releasing the hammer. I would like to have the same function in the Saigas. Thanks, Monomonk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 My Saiga also has a lousy trigger, I've heard it referred to as 'trigger slap'. It feels as the trigger kicks back during firing against my finger tip. I would like to know whether the US parts would give it a better feel or function. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 My Saiga also has a lousy trigger, I've heard it referred to as 'trigger slap'. It feels as the trigger kicks back during firing against my finger tip. I would like to know whether the US parts would give it a better feel or function. yes, it will help immensely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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