Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Saiga 12 with Green Laser


  • Please log in to reply
14 replies to this topic

#1 Las_Vegas_HK

Las_Vegas_HK

    Member

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 33 posts

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:14 AM

I would think a very popular set up for the Saiga 12 would be a rail mounted green laser with pressure pad.

I feel this way because of the application of this gun, especially after a conversion, point and shot.
As a side note, a lot of people seem to put the H&K sites on their guns but I am sure that this is mostly for looks.

I think a laser would fit the bill, any thoughts?

#2 KrisFox

KrisFox

    Citizen

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,131 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Montana

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:24 AM

Tight beam flashlight with a focusing bezel would be better.

Buckshot spreads. You could adjust the beam so the "hotspot" spreads similar to the buckshot.



Lasers are for handguns and for use as target identifiers. Otherwise a wide field of view red dot optic is just as good.

Edited by KrisFox, 16 January 2010 - 02:24 AM.

Yes it's a $250 shotgun. No, I paid $550 for it. Yes, I did a lot of work to it. Sure, I can build you one just like it for $1500.

#3 Cobra's Custom LLC

Cobra's Custom LLC

    Custom Parts and Parts Service

  • Business Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,570 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Carolina
  • Verified Business

  • Company Name:

    Cobra's Custom LLC

  • Company Website:
    www.cobras-custom.com

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:24 AM

I have a Russian Corsak laser that was made for the S-12.....screws into the gas block in place of the gas plug. It's a cool novelty. Making cans dance from the hip is fun.
Attached File  IMAG0004 2.JPG   72.81KB   22 downloads

Attached File  IMAG0009.JPG   315.18KB   14 downloads

Drilled a hole through the FSB for a laser window. Works great.
  • Crusader likes this
Posted Image

- Bolt & Carrier Mods and Polishing > http://www.Cobras-Custom.com <
Details on Cobra's Custom ReliabilitySystem >> http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/90388-new-ak-saiga-vepr-bolt-and-trigger-service-no-extra-waiting/
Our Sub Forum - COBRA'S CUSTOM LLC
IMPROVISE! ADAPT! OVERCOME!

#4 DogMan

DogMan

    Top Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,478 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pacific Northwest

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:31 AM

If the HK sights were just for looks I would take them off. They actually work quite well for their intended purpose. The electronic stuff is fine but I wouldn't want a gun without good BUIS.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.    - Mark Twain


#5 ChileRelleno

ChileRelleno

    Apathetic or Apolexic... It Ain't Gonna Be Pretty.

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,916 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sweet Home Alabama

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:55 AM

I like the Streamlight TLR-2 light/laser combo on mine... Blind'em, dot'em & blow'em away.

Side mounted above the VFG, my thumb rests right on the toggle switch.
No pressure switch, less chance of a white light ND.

Red vs Green? Meh, I see red just as easily as green it seems :smoke:

And I wouldn't never rely on laser for sighting, lasers are IMO best for getting on target just that much faster with sights.
I've Krebs Combat sights on my stick, great ghost rings, outstanding target acquisition and sight pic.
They are not just for looks, and neither are H&Ks.

Posted Image
Posted Image

Edited by ChileRelleno, 16 January 2010 - 03:50 AM.

Ragnar Benson:
"Never, under any circumstances, ever become a refugee... Die if you must, but die on your home turf with your face to the wind, not in some stinking hellhole 2,000 kilometers away, among people you neither know nor care about."
Mihail Timofeevič Kalašnikov
:
"I am still ready to shake hands with anyone who designs a better assault rifle than mine.
USPA# 106617, D#24868, 600+ jumps in 42/50 states, 36 fixed & 6 rotary winged aircraft, Highest 28,000'-Lowest 1,500', Reserve Rides-5, Injuries-1... SKYDIVE!

#6 Azrial

Azrial

    A Riddle, Wrapped in a Mystery, Inside an Enigma

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,534 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Hotlanta, GA, USA!

Posted 16 January 2010 - 03:39 AM

I would think a very popular set up for the Saiga 12 would be a rail mounted green laser with pressure pad.

I feel this way because of the application of this gun, especially after a conversion, point and shot.
As a side note, a lot of people seem to put the H&K sites on their guns but I am sure that this is mostly for looks.

I think a laser would fit the bill, any thoughts?

Yes, you need to hang around awhile before coming in here and dismissing what people have done before you. One of the main reasons for a Green laser is the range that your eyes can see it under daylight conditions. A shotgun is a short range firearm and this is a lot less of a problem.

The H&K sight mod is one of the best sighting mods for the S12, it may be the best with a switch to a larger sighting hole!
  • Gary likes this

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ - I stand with Arizona!

Proud Member of the Top 10 9 posters of all time!

IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY – Azrial's comments are provided solely to reform, chastise, or replace existing opinions. Inasmuch, Azrial holds no title to said Azrial comments IF Azrial comments are used only for non-profitable thought enhancement. Any other use of Azrial comments are strictly forbidden without the expressed written permission of Azrial. In so obtaining said permission you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions set forth in binding contract. If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, you may not copy, repeat, modify, think, or in any way use Azrial comments. Once contracted, unless you acquired the Azrial comments on external media, you may make a single copy of the Azrial comments solely for archival purposes or rethinking of the Azrial comments in the same context that the Azrial comments were previously expressed. Azrial retains all right, title, and interest in and to the Azrial comments. All rights not granted are reserved by Azrial. THE LIMITED WARRANTY (IF ANY) INCLUDED IN THE APPLICABLE AZRIAL COMMENTS APPLIES TO THE AZRIAL COMMENTS PROVIDED THE AZRIAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN LICENSED BY YOU WITHIN THE TERM OF THE LIMITED WARRANTY OF THE APPLICABLE AZRIAL COMMENTS IF APPLICABLE.

#7 Diamondback

Diamondback

    Evil/Crazy Bastard

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 478 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Behind enemy lines in Seattlegrad, Soviet Socialist Kleptocracy of Washingtonistan

Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:52 AM

Cobra, neat gadget you found--too bad we can't get Gunfixr to build one of his plugs around it... which would also free some rail for a mag-rack, a cupholder or a TTPD.

<><><><><><><><>< ><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><>< ><><><><>
"Stop your frowning and grab your Browning! It's time to LOCK AND LOAD!"--Gunny Ermey (OOHRAH!)


#8 hobbyshooter

hobbyshooter

    Citizen

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,295 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Southern USA

Posted 16 January 2010 - 09:22 AM

I'm not a fan of lazers. Never have been. I like iron sights for a shotgun because they won't fail.

I've shot S12s with HK sights and with Krebs, I prefer the krebs although both are perfectly adequate on the S12. I like the Krebs sight for the tighter sight picture. It's a lot of fun shooting clay, you just make sure the front and rear rings are witnessed and put the rings over the clay & :killer:

I don't see that working at all with a lazer.

#9 Tom Cole

Tom Cole

    SaigaMeister

  • Business Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,894 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cadiz, OH

Posted 16 January 2010 - 09:46 AM

I've been running the NC Star green laser on the Beast for a few months now. It has held up well and I will be carrying them for retail soon.

The laser works pretty well for finding a target, But in my old EOD days, the laser was best used for spotting tripwires on IEDs/traps. A laser even shines up mono fishing line....Makes a fine tool for room/house clearing.
President and Owner

Cadiz Gun Works
P.O. Box 126
117 West Market St Suite B
Cadiz, OH 43907-0126
Office Phone - (740) 942 3175

Office Fax - (740) 942 3639

#10 Gary

Gary

    Top Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,338 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pacific Northwest

Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:54 PM

I would think a very popular set up for the Saiga 12 would be a rail mounted green laser with pressure pad.

I feel this way because of the application of this gun, especially after a conversion, point and shot.
As a side note, a lot of people seem to put the H&K sites on their guns but I am sure that this is mostly for looks.

I think a laser would fit the bill, any thoughts?

Now that's just. . . . dumb. If anything, your thinking (or perception) is backwards. A lot of people initially put gizmos and crap (such as tactical lasers) on their S-12s because. . . they think it's tacti-cool and makes their weapon look stellar. From whence is my claim derived? Because I was one of those people. Anyway, after having a green tactical laser with pressure pad on my S-20 for approximately a year or so, I realized what a knot-head I was and removed it. BLUF (that would be "bottom line up front" for you non-military or former military types): A tactical laser on a shotgun is silly; lasers are best utilized on firearms that shoot bullets.

Hey, you asked what our thoughts were. The above are mine. :P

As usual, what Azrial stated above was spot-on. You should heed his advice.
.
Attached File  Gary's TROMIX S-20 006x.jpg   161.87KB   2 downloads


.

Edited by Gary, 16 January 2010 - 03:18 PM.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." ~Edmund Burke


"Life's too short to shoot an ugly gun!"

Posted Image


#11 Crusader

Crusader

    Executive Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 667 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:12 PM

I have a Russian Corsak laser that was made for the S-12.....screws into the gas block in place of the gas plug. It's a cool novelty. Making cans dance from the hip is fun.
Attached File  IMAG0004 2.JPG   72.81KB   22 downloads

Attached File  IMAG0009.JPG   315.18KB   14 downloads

Drilled a hole through the FSB for a laser window. Works great.

Thats the best location that I have seen yet.

#12 Crusader

Crusader

    Executive Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 667 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:16 PM

I'm not a fan of lazers. Never have been. I like iron sights for a shotgun because they won't fail.

I've shot S12s with HK sights and with Krebs, I prefer the krebs although both are perfectly adequate on the S12. I like the Krebs sight for the tighter sight picture. It's a lot of fun shooting clay, you just make sure the front and rear rings are witnessed and put the rings over the clay & :killer:

I don't see that working at all with a lazer.

Lazers are good for EOF (Escalation of Force).

#13 Las_Vegas_HK

Las_Vegas_HK

    Member

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 33 posts

Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:39 PM


I would think a very popular set up for the Saiga 12 would be a rail mounted green laser with pressure pad.

I feel this way because of the application of this gun, especially after a conversion, point and shot.
As a side note, a lot of people seem to put the H&K sites on their guns but I am sure that this is mostly for looks.

I think a laser would fit the bill, any thoughts?

Yes, you need to hang around awhile before coming in here and dismissing what people have done before you. One of the main reasons for a Green laser is the range that your eyes can see it under daylight conditions. A shotgun is a short range firearm and this is a lot less of a problem.

The H&K sight mod is one of the best sighting mods for the S12, it may be the best with a switch to a larger sighting hole!


I do plan on hanging around for a while and I will be the first one to say that I do not have a lot of experience with Saiga shot guns that is why I asked the question.
"hang around a while before coming in here and dismissing what people have done before" I not really sure about the dismmising part?

What I do have a lot of experience is in 9x H&K guns and their sites and also hunting shot guns. And what I do understand is that the H&K sites are designed for rifle shooting at distance and what the Saigas 12's do NOT do is distance. That's why I made the comment about the green laser, perfect for point and shoot guns like shot guns, albeit at short distances.

So if I understand you correctly, when using the H&K sites on your Siaga shot gun you are using both sites and peering through the small rear hole and lining it up with the front site and on the target? Is this for slugs only are do people use them with for buck shot also? Most shot guns don't even have rear sites.

Also, red lasers are a shot range problem too in bright light like in the desert. You would be hard pressed to see most red lasers at 20 yards at noon in July in the desert.

Edited by Las_Vegas_HK, 16 January 2010 - 04:41 PM.

  • Azrial likes this

#14 7.62m43

7.62m43

    Someone who thinks way too much about things he shouldn't

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 487 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:In the Heartland Ghetto

Posted 16 January 2010 - 07:22 PM

Cobra - where can one find one of those Corsak laser gas plugs???

There’s always free cheese in the mousetrap...


#15 Azrial

Azrial

    A Riddle, Wrapped in a Mystery, Inside an Enigma

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,534 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Hotlanta, GA, USA!

Posted 17 January 2010 - 02:15 AM

[quote name='Las_Vegas_HK' date='16 January 2010 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1263678067' post='458962']
I do plan on hanging around for a while and I will be the first one to say that I do not have a lot of experience with Saiga shot guns that is why I asked the question.
"hang around a while before coming in here and dismissing what people have done before" I not really sure about the dismmising part? [/quote]
I gave you some Rep by accident, but that is OK, you will need it at this rate.

My H&K sights are modified so that thet are more like a Ghost Ring sight. Is is not they are the perfect sights for a shotgun as is, they are not, it is that the factory sights are that bad. The best sights for the S12, in my opinion, are the Krebs. But, see, we knew all of this before you got here.
[quote name='Las_Vegas_HK'}What I do have a lot of experience is in 9x H&K guns and their sites and also hunting shot guns.... [/quote]
Big deal, I used to do training for the company and had dinner with the company's VP. I also have several H&Ks, so what?
[quote name='Las_Vegas_HK'] So if I understand you correctly, when using the H&K sites on your Siaga shot gun you are using both sites and peering through the small rear hole and lining it up with the front site and on the target? [/quote]
Is there any other way to use a set of rifle sights? :unsure:
[quote name='Las_Vegas_HK'] Is this for slugs only are do people use them with for buck shot also? Most shot guns don't even have rear sites. [/quote]
Odd, I have a 2 Remington 870's, a High Standard 10-B and and Remington 1100 that all have front and rear sights, three of them rifle sights, two from the factory.
[quote name='Las_Vegas_HK'] Also, red lasers are a shot range problem too in bright light like in the desert. You would be hard pressed to see most red lasers at 20 yards at noon in July in the desert. [/quote]
A shotgun would not be my first choice for general use in an open area like most deserts... Lasers are designed for speed under poor lighting conditions, I have a 600+mW Green laser on my former duty FAL that I would use for shooting big holes in boat hulls. It was not worth a damn during the day, you could see it, just not when any speed!

Honestly, welcome, but whether you intend to or not you are coming off like you think that we have been waiting on someone of your "wisdom" to come along and show us the way. Is this really what you intended?
  • Gary likes this

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ - I stand with Arizona!

Proud Member of the Top 10 9 posters of all time!

IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY – Azrial's comments are provided solely to reform, chastise, or replace existing opinions. Inasmuch, Azrial holds no title to said Azrial comments IF Azrial comments are used only for non-profitable thought enhancement. Any other use of Azrial comments are strictly forbidden without the expressed written permission of Azrial. In so obtaining said permission you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions set forth in binding contract. If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, you may not copy, repeat, modify, think, or in any way use Azrial comments. Once contracted, unless you acquired the Azrial comments on external media, you may make a single copy of the Azrial comments solely for archival purposes or rethinking of the Azrial comments in the same context that the Azrial comments were previously expressed. Azrial retains all right, title, and interest in and to the Azrial comments. All rights not granted are reserved by Azrial. THE LIMITED WARRANTY (IF ANY) INCLUDED IN THE APPLICABLE AZRIAL COMMENTS APPLIES TO THE AZRIAL COMMENTS PROVIDED THE AZRIAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN LICENSED BY YOU WITHIN THE TERM OF THE LIMITED WARRANTY OF THE APPLICABLE AZRIAL COMMENTS IF APPLICABLE.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users