Primary Arms Microdot

[Botasky1 3]

Just picked up one of these microdot sights. I guess its an Aimpoint clone.. seems to be big with the AR crew and was wondering if anyone else has any use of this red dot. Maybe some range time with it?

 

[Moe Zambeak 53]

I have been eyeing those too. They are considerably cheaper than

 

Did you get it with an Ultimak?

[Botasky1 3]

Well rite now Im putting together a draco, and currently have the Midwest quad rail setup. The top rail is damned close to the gas tube, closer than the UTG, but not as close as the Ultimak. Im not really to concerned with co-witness but the microdot is a small unit so maybe I'll be lucky and it'll work well, with or without the co-witness. Ive heard buzz around that the AMD65 Ultimak setup will work with a draco, but Ive also seen some that are typical Ak sized tubes cut down to fit a draco. I dont think Im willing to try cutting down the ultimak, but would consider the AMD65 if it really does fit.

[Moe Zambeak 53]

I've heard the same thing about the AMD65 tubes.

 

Funny thing is, I was looking at those RD's for the same reason (to put on the Draco).

 

Looks like you get to be the guinea pig on this one, LOL! I'm going to hold out on optics for the Draco until after I get a 5.45 put together. The way I see it is that the optics will probably stay around the same price, but the surplus ammo and rifles may not be this price for very long. I'll have to see what my tax return looks like.

[Steve_Feist 1]

Do you know who the vendor is for these Aimpoint clone? Have you got a link?

I wonder how well these will handle the heat if you mount them on the Ultimak gas tube rail?

 

 

Zonie

[GerryV 14]

I've got one on an Ultimak....only shot about 120 rounds, but everything worked well. They're running a special where you can get the Ultimak rail for $68 and the Microdot for $59. It's not an Aimpoint and even Marshall at Primary Arms will tell you that if your going into combat or similar life dependent situation, then get the real thing, but for the majority of us who are nothing more than range commandos they're a great option. They're not a paying sponsor so I can't post a link, but just Google Primary Arms.

 

 

Forgot to mention that they will not co-witness, even on the Ultimak. They come close, but just not quite close enough, at least on my rifle. Of course since the Saiga manufacturing variances are all over the board maybe others will get lucky. Supposedly the next version will co-witness on the AK platform.

Edited January 23, 2010 by GerryV

[Botasky1 3]

wow... I am real surprised to hear these wont co witness..?? even with an Ultimak setup? I mean even if some get lucky with their Saiga variance, why wouldn't they produce a sight thats able to co witness.. and thats still odd considering the sight looks damned small enough to co witness. The one I purchased was shipped yesterday so Ill be able to do some reviewing by next week.

[3ac6ucb 24]

Interesting. Primary arms claims "Optional riser pictured allows for a lower 1/3 cowitness on flat top AR-15/M-16", and they also sell them in a bundle with an Ultimak tube.

 

.... but they never say whether they cowitness on an Ultimak. Little bit of misdirection, huh?

[bigsal 757]

wow... I am real surprised to hear these wont co witness..?? even with an Ultimak setup? I mean even if some get lucky with their Saiga variance, why wouldn't they produce a sight thats able to co witness.. and thats still odd considering the sight looks damned small enough to co witness. The one I purchased was shipped yesterday so Ill be able to do some reviewing by next week.

 

It has nothing to do with the overall size, but rather the height of the red dot projector. You will see when you get your unit, but I'll tell you definitively right now that it will not co-witness.

[chupa 34]

I emailed Primary arms to ask them about co-witness on an ultimak regarding there microdot's and this is what I got back.

 

Both are the same height and both will handle the heat fine. The only problem is that the location of the LED emitter is at 6 o'clock and gets in the way of a cowitness, depending on what ak you have. You can raise your rear sight and it will cowitness fine. We will be coming out with a gen 4 and gen 5 that will have the emitter at 4 o'clock to allow for cowitness on any ak. If you order it and it doesnt cowitness we will allow you to return it. Thanks

 

 

Nick Barron

Primary Arms, LLC.

Edited January 26, 2010 by chupa

[sh00ter 4]

i got a "cheapo" aimpoint clone like that one a few months ago, have tried it on most of my guns - it didnt really like my 44 magnum shooting full power loads, cutting out quite frequently. It now rides on my saiga, and im most happy with it, holds zero and carries on working fine which is all i ask of a red dot tbh

[bigsal 757]

I emailed Primary arms to ask them about co-witness on an ultimak regarding there microdot's and this is what I got back.

 

Both are the same height and both will handle the heat fine. The only problem is that the location of the LED emitter is at 6 o'clock and gets in the way of a cowitness, depending on what ak you have. You can raise your rear sight and it will cowitness fine. We will be coming out with a gen 4 and gen 5 that will have the emitter at 4 o'clock to allow for cowitness on any ak. If you order it and it doesnt cowitness we will allow you to return it. Thanks

 

 

Nick Barron

Primary Arms, LLC.

 

Like I said in post #9, the Red dot projector gets in the way of the co-witness. Nick is full of shit if he thinks it "depends on what AK you have". ALL AK's will block co-witness with his product. That being said, its worth the money. I recommend it to all as a cheap solution.

[chupa 34]

BigSal, I'm agreeing with you! I just wanted to pass on the info that I already had before this topic was even posted.

[bigsal 757]

BigSal, I'm agreeing with you! I just wanted to pass on the info that I already had before this topic was even posted.

 

Neat!

[corbin 621]

Very cool.

 

I'm currently looking to replace the handguards on my new Draco and want a red dot of some kind, co-witness or not. The Microdot looks like it might work well. If anyone gets the AMD Ultimak for a Draco, please let us know if it fits OK. That's likely going to be my preferred setup.

 

The Midwest quad rail looks nice too, though I don't need that many rails. I don't tend to hang lasers, flashlights, bipods and such on rails anyway. A vert grip is nice sometimes, but I can't do that with the Draco without a tax stamp.

 

Plus, in my experience, racking the charging handle with a rail immediately in front of it tends to chew up my hand.

 

 

Corbin

[destroytec 2]

i put the micro dot on the vented ultimak. i had to cut it to fit but i like the way it looks with the extended rail. definently no cowitness.

[corbin 621]

Is that the M7-B Ultimak? Or is it the M1-B?

 

The M7-B is for the shorter gas tube guns like the AMD and the Draco (5.75" overall). The M1-B is for the standard AKs.

 

Looks pretty cool, either way.

 

 

Corbin

 

 

*Edit* Here's my Draco so far. I'll definitely want to do a setup like yours:

 

 

I forgot to put the cleaning rod in for the pic. I don't even use it though, since I can fit a bore snake in the SAW grip.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Corbin

[destroytec 2]

it's the m2-b, there's only one vent hole left. here's a full pic. i just need a sling and then i think it will be done? -thanks

[corbin 621]

Pretty sweet!

 

How's that muzzle break/flash hider work for you? That's the 3 piece setup, isn't it? I hear they're pretty good. I gotta admit though, I kinda like the pumpkin sized fireballs. lol

 

 

 

Corbin

[Paladin 37]

I really hope those are crap and fail frequently. It will make me feel better about spending the money to put a real Aimpoint MRD on a my Ultimak rail.

[destroytec 2]

Pretty sweet!

 

How's that muzzle break/flash hider work for you? That's the 3 piece setup, isn't it? I hear they're pretty good. I gotta admit though, I kinda like the pumpkin sized fireballs. lol

 

 

 

Corbin

 

it is the three piece. i like it alot but it deffinenly cut down on the flameage.

[superA 289]

I really hope those are crap and fail frequently. It will make me feel better about spending the money to put a real Aimpoint MRD on a my Ultimak rail.

 

 

 

If not, just go over the top about idiots buying a red dot that won't co-witness.

[I Like Firearms 0]

I have the ultimak and micro on my AK bullpup... It co-witnesses.. But my sights are raised.

 

 

[corbin 621]

OK, I can answer the question regarding Ultimaks made for the AMD, the M7-B.....

 

They'll fit the Draco BUT they're about 1/4" shorter than the original gas tube:

 

 

I called Ultimak and spoke with Dan. Really nice guy and very patient, considering he probably gets this call frequently. He assured me that a short gas tube length will not affect reliability and since the Ultimak secures to the barrel instead of the handguard retainer, having a little room for expansion would be a good thing. He referred me to this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hcuVyTcITQ

 

 

Dan told me to mount the M7-B with the space divided between the front and back, but with perhaps a little less space up front, to keep carbon from flying out there. He also told me to try the M7-B out and if I didn't like it, he'd exchange it for a longer one that I could cut back, like Destroytec did.

 

 

Corbin

 

 

*EDIT* I installed the M7-B and adjusted it so that it's BARELY over the front gas tube. That leaves a gap in the back by the front trunnion though where you can see the carrier piston. This pic is made up of two that I pasted together, to show the detail:

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure it'd operate just fine this way, but I got thinking...... this Ultimak is held in position not by the front of it slid over the gas block, or the front trunnion, but by 4 screws. That's it. If it were to get dropped, it would be more prone to rotating and getting the piston out of allignment. The opening near the front trunnion isn't a huge deal to me in terms of it getting junk in there, but the overall strength of the setup is.

 

I think I'll be exchanging this for the longer M1 model.

Edited March 2, 2010 by Corbin

[Moe Zambeak 53]

Corbin, thanks for all of the detailed pics and info!

 

I think when the time comes, I am going to go with a full size tube and trim it down. Not that I forsee me throwing my Draco in the sand, but I don't want the chance of sand being introduced to the gas block.

 

BTW, that lower hand guard looks really good in the close up pics!

[corbin 621]

BTW, that lower hand guard looks really good in the close up pics!

 

 

Thanks Moe

 

Here's a more detailed shot:

 

 

 

A shame I probably won't keep them on the Draco once I get her set up the way I want.

 

 

Corbin

[jeremiahisnaked 64]

I just talked to Primary Arms. They suggested I delay my order for my Ultimak and micro till the next version gets there. The new ones mount lower and cowitness so that solves that problem. The sights are in country at customs and will be here next week. Almost to the end of the bolt on portion of my fist build. Exciting!

[corbin 621]

Got the M1-B Ultimak today, along with an AMD forend. Cut the M1 back a bit and dremeled out the end to fit over the front sight base. Nice and snug now. It's not moving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still gotta get a red dot sight.

 

 

Corbin

[bigsal 757]

OK as of today the revised Primary Arms Micro Dot can Co-Witness! They just got a new shippment in according to a mass email they sent out. This is the best low cost optic available.

 

 

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Edited August 13, 2010 by Nailbomb
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[corbin 621]

THANKS SAL!!!

 

 

I'll be getting one for my Draco ASAP.