Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Mike doesnt mention anything about a sale in the OP. All he mentions is new price point. That leads me too believe that this is not a sale but permanent? Bueller? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergunner 12 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 his drum is the best and he deserves to be able to charge whatever he wants. period. i hope he made a billion for bringing us this incredible drum. at least he took care of his vendors and customers which is more than you can say for agp with their little bullshit fiasco. im in for 2 tomorrow if there are any left!! pay no attention to the haters. (and yes i also paid 260 for my drums and still consider it money well spent) way to go mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) My only gripe if any is that the only time we hear from Mike, Tony, or a lot of the Business members that started out as members, is when they release a new product. That statement isn't completely true, but back in the day I learned a lot from what Tony had to post about functional issues. Mike by now has to have a lot under his belt to offer other than his products. I'd just like to see all of our business members, not just a few these days, venture out of their section and just talk about gun stuff As for the price, that's for him to set. He's not hosing anyone-this guy put his house and business up at one point to get this project to production and he needed to recoupe that expense. If by now he's in the black and can afford to lower his price, that's A) his business, and good for new and repeat buyers. Funny, I don't see anybody bitching about ammo prices coming down Edited January 27, 2010 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Henry Ford lowered the price of the Model T every year it was in production. Originally just over $800 it was less than $300 when the last were produced. If you don't understand that creating a product is a LOT more expensive than improving the manufacturing process than you are an IDIOT! The original asking price for MD's drum was more than fair. The new price is outstanding! No one is getting screwed,this is progress and good business practice For those of you who still think you are getting screwed... I challenge your retarded ass to do better, cheaper, Otherwise STFU! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scarbrough68289 76 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Obake, i must see more of your avator!!!! Shit everytime i scroll down a post and hit one of yours i lock up looking at it for like 20 minutes. LOL Someone posted a video link in one of the topics found in our fight club section. She is quite the dirty slut. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=49510 Edited January 28, 2010 by obake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
towerofpower93 22 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Obake, i must see more of your avator!!!! Shit everytime i scroll down a post and hit one of yours i lock up looking at it for like 20 minutes. LOL Someone posted a video link in one of the topics found in our fight club section. She is quite the dirty slut. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=49510 Password protected???? That's just mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Looks like MAA and CSS both still have the MD-20 drums listed for around $260.00. What's going on there? BTW I bought myself another MD-20 today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Looks like MAA and CSS both still have the MD-20 drums listed for around $260.00. What's going on there? Someone will buy them. Just like people buy them for $300.00 on gunbroker. Drums, as we see in this thread, are impulse buys a lot of times. Edited January 28, 2010 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goingpro 2 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 im getting one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergunner 12 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Mike doesnt mention anything about a sale in the OP. All he mentions is new price point. That leads me too believe that this is not a sale but permanent? Bueller? looks like a permanent price to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kencrawleysc 11 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) I ordered two mags from Mike Saturday night. Then he sent out an email to those on his email list. Then, I got a call from him saying my order for two drums was going to be $120 instead of $260. I told him to send me three. We both win! Yee Haa! Oh, I forgot: I asked him about the doublestacks. MIke's reply: maybe in Spring. (we all know it takes work to ramp up a production line) Ken in SC Here is the email from Mike: Hi, I wanted to break some news to everyone. Due to a new comer entering the Saiga-12 drum market soon... We are lowering the price of our drum, the MD-20 to $120. You read that right, $120!!! The price will go into effect 01-26-10 at noon, Eastern time. That is less than 12 hours away. Our new competitor is not know for quality products but we felt this is something we must still do. Not only to ensure a competitive edge but to better ensure your money is well spent! From what I'm hearing, our new $120 price point will still make our drum the most affordable drum on the market. That with our proven design and reputation for reliability should keep MD Arms, Ltd by far the best choice for a saiga-12 drum mag. I could be wrong but I highly doubt the new guys are making a better mouse trap! I will post more on this tomorrow prior to Noon. We will be contacting our stocking dealers tomorrow as well to work out something on stock still held. We will be offering customers that have ordered in the past 30 days something as well. We will be opening up sales to new stocking dealers as well and will have those details in the next few days. I want to apologize and thank everyone that paid more for one in the past. This was out of our control. But we feel the ultimate outcome from this will make up for it in time. We hope you will all help us spread the word on our new low price on our proven quality product! Thanks Everyone! MikeD Edited January 28, 2010 by kencrawleysc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GuyFoX 24 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 OH, hell f#ckin' yeah!!! I've wanted a drum SOO bad, and knew that MD's was the only one for me, but I'm a broke and cheap gimp and I just couldn't justify spending half as much as I spent on the gun itself on a drum mag, even though it is ridiculously cool. This is still going to sting a little with my lack of funds, but at half of the original price, I just CAN'T resist this! Thank you Mike, you are my hero! And I'll love and pay you even more when you're doublestacks(and magwell!) are out(SOON?!... please?)! PS - Does anyone know if the drums will work with MD's soon(hopefully!) to be released magwell? I thought I read somewhere that they won't be compatible, but I just re-read his magwell and doublestack mag threads, and didn't find an answer. Anybody know about this, anyone, Bueller...? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RookieShot 3 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hi, I wanted to break some news here to everyone. Due to a new comer entering the Saiga-12 drum market soon... We are lowering the price of our drum, the MD-20 to $120. You read that right, $120!!! The price will go into effect 01-26-10 at noon, Eastern time. That is less than 12 hours away. Our new competitor is not know for quality products but we felt this is something we must still do. Not only to ensure a competitive edge but to better ensure your money is well spent! From what I'm hearing, our new $120 price point will still make our drum the most affordable drum on the market. That with our proven design and reputation for reliability should keep MD Arms, Ltd by far the best choice for a saiga-12 drum mag. I could be wrong but I highly doubt the new guys are making a better mouse trap! I will post more on this tomorrow prior to Noon. We will be contacting our stocking dealers tomorrow as well to work out something on stock still held. We will be offering customers that have ordered in the past 30 days something as well. We will be opening up sales to new stocking dealers as well and will have those details in the next few days. I want to apologize and thank everyone that paid more for one in the past. This was out of our control. But we feel the ultimate outcome from this will make up for it in time. We hope you will all help us spread the word on our new low price on our proven quality product! Thanks Everyone! MikeD I just bought a MD-20 Drum last week from Carolina Shooters Supply for the full $260. What will you be offering for the customers that have ordered in the past 30 days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hello Well, I guess I feel better..Instead of having a thousand dollars worth of drums that won't cycle the thousands of rounds of defensive 2-3/4" Federal ammo I've stashed, now I have only four hundred and eighty dollars worth of drums that won't cycle...... -Whew! That's much better. I'm not whining about the price drop, I just feel like this would have been good info to have prior to a "pre-buy"...... I'm still waiting for the double stacks, and hopefully, any similar issues will be resolved....... Respectfully, guido Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hello Well, I guess I feel better..Instead of having a thousand dollars worth of drums that won't cycle the thousands of rounds of defensive 2-3/4" Federal ammo I've stashed, now I have only four hundred and eighty dollars worth of drums that won't cycle...... -Whew! That's much better. I'm not whining about the price drop, I just feel like this would have been good info to have prior to a "pre-buy"...... I'm still waiting for the double stacks, and hopefully, any similar issues will be resolved....... Respectfully, guido Guido, What are the exact Federal rounds you are speaking of? They should cycle just fine. Are you using a factory gas plug? And here is probably the best question I have for you... Why am I just now hearing about this??? Puzzling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hello, Mike I thought this was old news...It was originally circulated when the drums first came out. The loads in question are Federal "L/E Full Power Flite Control 00 Buck". They weren't functioning when the drums first came out, there was discussion about adjusting and modifying stuff to get various shells to cycle, but I sort of dropped off the list for a while. I don't know if a fix has been implemented. I have the new springs and the Gunfixer plugs, but to be honest, I never tried the drums since I coudn't get the them to work with these shells many moons ago. -I'm not trying to slam you about this, maybe it's all my fault for not keeping up with things, but I suppose I'm a bit sour that my favorite shells won't run in these drums. I posted the question earlier in this thread whether a fix has been developed for this problem, one forum member responded that placing washers between the cover and the drum body allowed the shells to move through the drum. I may try that "fix", but I was hoping maybe something a bit more "engineered" maybe had transpired. Respectfully, guido Hello Well, I guess I feel better..Instead of having a thousand dollars worth of drums that won't cycle the thousands of rounds of defensive 2-3/4" Federal ammo I've stashed, now I have only four hundred and eighty dollars worth of drums that won't cycle...... -Whew! That's much better. I'm not whining about the price drop, I just feel like this would have been good info to have prior to a "pre-buy"...... I'm still waiting for the double stacks, and hopefully, any similar issues will be resolved....... Respectfully, guido Guido, What are the exact Federal rounds you are speaking of? They should cycle just fine. Are you using a factory gas plug? And here is probably the best question I have for you... Why am I just now hearing about this??? Puzzling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hello, Mike I thought this was old news...It was originally circulated when the drums first came out. The loads in question are Federal "L/E Full Power Flite Control 00 Buck". They weren't functioning when the drums first came out, there was discussion about adjusting and modifying stuff to get various shells to cycle, but I sort of dropped off the list for a while. I don't know if a fix has been implemented. I have the new springs and the Gunfixer plugs, but to be honest, I never tried the drums since I coudn't get the them to work with these shells many moons ago. -I'm not trying to slam you about this, maybe it's all my fault for not keeping up with things, but I suppose I'm a bit sour that my favorite shells won't run in these drums. I posted the question earlier in this thread whether a fix has been developed for this problem, one forum member responded that placing washers between the cover and the drum body allowed the shells to move through the drum. I may try that "fix", but I was hoping maybe something a bit more "engineered" maybe had transpired. Respectfully, guido Hello Well, I guess I feel better..Instead of having a thousand dollars worth of drums that won't cycle the thousands of rounds of defensive 2-3/4" Federal ammo I've stashed, now I have only four hundred and eighty dollars worth of drums that won't cycle...... -Whew! That's much better. I'm not whining about the price drop, I just feel like this would have been good info to have prior to a "pre-buy"...... I'm still waiting for the double stacks, and hopefully, any similar issues will be resolved....... Respectfully, guido Guido, What are the exact Federal rounds you are speaking of? They should cycle just fine. Are you using a factory gas plug? And here is probably the best question I have for you... Why am I just now hearing about this??? Puzzling! Guido, Give them a try with the new plug. You will be good to go. I never changed the spring and scraped the idea. I fixed through better gas control. It was a much better fix with zero ill effects and actually added benefit no matter what mags you use. The stronger spring worked but it caused too much drag when using low power ammo, it was trading a problem for another. Who wants to adjust a spring back and forth. The washer thing you heard spoke of was someone's idea to get longer shell to fit the drum, like roll crimped Wolf... The shells you are speaking of only needs better gas control from your gun. They was one of the more problematic rounds we tested. Try the new plug, I promise you will be good to go with reliability you can stack your loved ones' lives on. Please give me a follow up once you get a chance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Thats a Good man^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertloper 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I ordered my drum just over 48 hrs ago-- Then there was roughly 530 available.. Right now there is 192 left...thats about 7 an hour for you math majors which is pretty damn impressive. I think the market has decided who they support. Congrats Mike-I look forward to abusing mine when I get it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Thanks, Mike I'll let you know when I get a chance to test it. I suppose I should have PM'd you. In the meantime I'm still looking forward to those fat stick mag's...Got some 3" shells I've been wanting to load up in hi-cap mode. Respectfully, guido Hello, Mike I thought this was old news...It was originally circulated when the drums first came out. The loads in question are Federal "L/E Full Power Flite Control 00 Buck". They weren't functioning when the drums first came out, there was discussion about adjusting and modifying stuff to get various shells to cycle, but I sort of dropped off the list for a while. I don't know if a fix has been implemented. I have the new springs and the Gunfixer plugs, but to be honest, I never tried the drums since I coudn't get the them to work with these shells many moons ago. -I'm not trying to slam you about this, maybe it's all my fault for not keeping up with things, but I suppose I'm a bit sour that my favorite shells won't run in these drums. I posted the question earlier in this thread whether a fix has been developed for this problem, one forum member responded that placing washers between the cover and the drum body allowed the shells to move through the drum. I may try that "fix", but I was hoping maybe something a bit more "engineered" maybe had transpired. Respectfully, guido Hello Well, I guess I feel better..Instead of having a thousand dollars worth of drums that won't cycle the thousands of rounds of defensive 2-3/4" Federal ammo I've stashed, now I have only four hundred and eighty dollars worth of drums that won't cycle...... -Whew! That's much better. I'm not whining about the price drop, I just feel like this would have been good info to have prior to a "pre-buy"...... I'm still waiting for the double stacks, and hopefully, any similar issues will be resolved....... Respectfully, guido Guido, What are the exact Federal rounds you are speaking of? They should cycle just fine. Are you using a factory gas plug? And here is probably the best question I have for you... Why am I just now hearing about this??? Puzzling! Guido, Give them a try with the new plug. You will be good to go. I never changed the spring and scraped the idea. I fixed through better gas control. It was a much better fix with zero ill effects and actually added benefit no matter what mags you use. The stronger spring worked but it caused too much drag when using low power ammo, it was trading a problem for another. Who wants to adjust a spring back and forth. The washer thing you heard spoke of was someone's idea to get longer shell to fit the drum, like roll crimped Wolf... The shells you are speaking of only needs better gas control from your gun. They was one of the more problematic rounds we tested. Try the new plug, I promise you will be good to go with reliability you can stack your loved ones' lives on. Please give me a follow up once you get a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Yeah, I'm sure Mike is looking to saturate the market with his product. That way the competition will be left high and dry with no one to sell to. Kick their ass Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
azgr 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Great deal - I have been wanting a drum for a while, but the price point was too high for me - I just placed an order for a drum and can't wait to get it now!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_JT_ 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 got the email from Mike on tuesday, order placed Wednesday morning. Good marketing i'd say... Cant wait till monday now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azmond 0 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) I've been pursuing different firearm interests (.223) of late; just read about the price drop. I was going to buy one before, but now I'll get two! Is the gas plug a necessity, my rig runs 100% now. MD arms, after reading about your customer support/ product quality/ ingenious magazine concepts; you've got a customer for life! Now come out with the FLASHY MULTI ROUND CAPABLE BOX MAGAZINES **Edited to not have my bejesus chain yanked** Edited January 29, 2010 by Azmond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) . . . Now come out with the high capacity magazines! Oh god. . . you used the phrase "high capacity mags". . . Nanolith should be coming along any moment to yank the bejesus on your chain. Dude, like the MD-20 drum is "the answer." BTW, just what the hell is that squirrel doing to the other squirrel, in your avatar???? Looks FUBAR to me. Forget it; I don't think I want to know. . . Edited January 29, 2010 by Gary 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 BTW, just what the hell is that squirrel doing to the other squirrel, in your avatar???? Looks FUBAR to me. . . Squirrel-sage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TO THE FLOOR IN A 63 121 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Thanks Mike I just ordered another one...I guess I nagged the wife so much she finally screamed "OK". Tried a clear this time. Thanks for the great pricing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RookieShot 3 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hi, I wanted to break some news here to everyone. Due to a new comer entering the Saiga-12 drum market soon... We are lowering the price of our drum, the MD-20 to $120. You read that right, $120!!! The price will go into effect 01-26-10 at noon, Eastern time. That is less than 12 hours away. Our new competitor is not know for quality products but we felt this is something we must still do. Not only to ensure a competitive edge but to better ensure your money is well spent! From what I'm hearing, our new $120 price point will still make our drum the most affordable drum on the market. That with our proven design and reputation for reliability should keep MD Arms, Ltd by far the best choice for a saiga-12 drum mag. I could be wrong but I highly doubt the new guys are making a better mouse trap! I will post more on this tomorrow prior to Noon. We will be contacting our stocking dealers tomorrow as well to work out something on stock still held. We will be offering customers that have ordered in the past 30 days something as well. We will be opening up sales to new stocking dealers as well and will have those details in the next few days. I want to apologize and thank everyone that paid more for one in the past. This was out of our control. But we feel the ultimate outcome from this will make up for it in time. We hope you will all help us spread the word on our new low price on our proven quality product! Thanks Everyone! MikeD I just bought a MD-20 Drum last week from Carolina Shooters Supply for the full $260. What will you be offering for the customers that have ordered in the past 30 days? Ijust noticed that CSS no longer has the MD-20 for sale. I wonder if I got the dubious honor of buying the last drum at full price? :-( 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I still have many left, but have removed them from my site for now. I paid much more for them than what they are now selling for and I can not sell them at that big of a loss. Call me if you would like to return it to me. Some things are out of my control. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Man that really sucks Greg. I'm sorry to hear you are getting such a bad deal here. I can only hope for your sake, and for my other brothers who stocked up the drums to bring everyone here easy access to them, that Mike does you and them a whole lot better than Kevin did when he started liquidating AGP mags and left Max and everyone else holding the bag... This is what he said in his initial statement 3 days ago... "We will be contacting our stocking dealers tomorrow as well to work out something on stock still held." You dealers should be reimbursed all the money you have in em, plus a little extra for your trouble. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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