gpqueen 545 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 JT Engineering "ROCK-N-LOCK" Magazine guide allows you to load all Saiga 12 Magazines and Drums easily. Magazine Guide provides a platform for fumble free loading. Machined from solid Billet. Installs easily in minutes. Comes with mounting hardware. I put this on a demo gun at it does make loading easier and it works well with the MD Drum. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-414/Saiga-12-Magazine-/Detail?sfs=39bf662 $44.95 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
towerofpower93 22 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 When does the video of instal and operation get posted? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Excellent idea, this could be incorporated in a railed handguard for easy installation and stability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted January 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 When does the video of instal and operation get posted? When you get time to do it for me. It will be a few weeks before I can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeMilled 5 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 So this is to make it easier for people to get it in the hole? I just put a 'lil hair 'round it and I'm good to go. I can even find it in the dark now...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
towerofpower93 22 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) When does the video of instal and operation get posted? When you get time to do it for me. It will be a few weeks before I can. No worries. Maybe just a little description of how to mount this part so as to not drill holes in the receiver. On a side note...what size hole would be drilled/tapped to permanently mount this. I only ask since I have a magwell from you mounted and had to go one drill bit up in size due an error on my part. May think about this for drum use if the mood hits me. Thanks again for a unique product being brought to market. Eric Edited January 27, 2010 by towerofpower93 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve in Allentown, PA 5 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Please forgive my ignorance but I don't understand how this little piece is going to make loading on a closed bolt any easier. I'd be thrilled to spend $45 on this thing if it would allow me to load a fully packed MD20 drum on a closed bolt without having to do cartwheels while cursing a blue streak and questioning my manhood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Please forgive my ignorance but I don't understand how this little piece is going to make loading on a closed bolt any easier. I'd be thrilled to spend $45 on this thing if it would allow me to load a fully packed MD20 drum on a closed bolt without having to do cartwheels while cursing a blue streak and questioning my manhood. What it does, is it gives you the proper angle and a wall/stop to hit the magazine against and then rotate back. It is designed for both the AGPs and the Surefire magazines. Please note; if you bolt is not clearanced (stock) it will make loading easier, but it is still best to have your bolt modified for easier rock "n" lock. Definitely makes locating the magazine in the Saiga so much easy in a low light/night environment. Best to ya, Jack (JT Eng.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 When you get time to do it for me. It will be a few weeks before I can. If you send me one I'll make the video. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
towerofpower93 22 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 When you get time to do it for me. It will be a few weeks before I can. If you send me one I'll make the video. I was thinking the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Hey, that's just a STIMPCATCH! But I can't find any pictures of it. It's from around 2005 NIce implementation though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Hey, that's just a STIMPCATCH! But I can't find any pictures of it. It's from around 2005 NIce implementation though. Stimpcatch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Interesting. I wonder if this would have an added benefit in distributing recoil forces at the top of the mag and maybe reducing some of the breakages I've heard about with magnum loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Interesting. I wonder if this would have an added benefit in distributing recoil forces at the top of the mag and maybe reducing some of the breakages I've heard about with magnum loads. I don't think it would. Once the mag/drum is locked in place the Rock-N-Lock doesn't contact it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
super jim 14 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I would like to know more about this from above, "Please note; if you bolt is not clearanced (stock) it will make loading easier, but it is still best to have your bolt modified for easier rock "n" lock." Is there some bolt modification that can make loading with a closed bolt easier, especially with the MD20 drum? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Interesting. I wonder if this would have an added benefit in distributing recoil forces at the top of the mag and maybe reducing some of the breakages I've heard about with magnum loads. I don't think it would. Once the mag/drum is locked in place the Rock-N-Lock doesn't contact it. Yeah, I misread the second photo. I thought it was showing the mag locked in place but its not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Please note: A fully loaded MD20 will not load on a closed bolt (even if you have done the bolt shaving mod) because there is not enough room in the drum to compress the shells. You will either have to insert it fully loaded on an open bolt, or download it to 19 in order to insert it on a closed bolt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 You sure? I can compress my MD20 fully loaded, and it does load with a closed bolt, but my top round gets kinda fudged up and it won't load with out some help after... I mostly shoot low brass fed though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergunner 12 Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I would like to know more about this from above, "Please note; if you bolt is not clearanced (stock) it will make loading easier, but it is still best to have your bolt modified for easier rock "n" lock." Is there some bolt modification that can make loading with a closed bolt easier, especially with the MD20 drum? alot of guys on this site can do the bolt mod for you. just ask around!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
super jim 14 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yes I would like to know more about the bolt mod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gmorgan 2 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I know, I know ....I'm putting on my Point Blank underwear but has anybody heard any more about the progress (if any) on the various LRBHO devices being developed, I would think that in itself would make the entire question of mag seating quite academic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) I had a similar idea, but mine was just going to be bent sheet metal and probably wider. I like this design better. I doubt mine would have worked with a drum anyway, so I'm going to want to pick one of these up. Corbin Edited February 6, 2010 by Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I had a similar idea, but mine was just going to be bent sheet metal and probably wider. I like this design better. I doubt mine would have worked with a drum anyway, so I'g going to want to pick one of these up. Corbin The first design was wider with wings on the sides, but as you stated it would not work with the drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 You snooze, you lose... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Please note: A fully loaded MD20 will not load on a closed bolt (even if you have done the bolt shaving mod) because there is not enough room in the drum to compress the shells. You will either have to insert it fully loaded on an open bolt, or download it to 19 in order to insert it on a closed bolt. Works fine for me; both of my drums lock up, fully loaded, into both of my guns, albeit with a little struggle. I'll have to try it in my SBS once I can pick it up from my dealer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Please note: A fully loaded MD20 will not load on a closed bolt (even if you have done the bolt shaving mod) because there is not enough room in the drum to compress the shells. You will either have to insert it fully loaded on an open bolt, or download it to 19 in order to insert it on a closed bolt. Works fine for me; both of my drums lock up, fully loaded, into both of my guns, albeit with a little struggle. I'll have to try it in my SBS once I can pick it up from my dealer. If I recall Mike D correctly, it's not designed to do that. If it works for you, thats great! I suspect that those who can accomplish this may be compressing your ammo a bit or maybe deforming the top round. Can you do this with slugs too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GLOCKshooter 1 Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 So how does this mount? Drill and tap? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hellraiser 6 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 i know this is still pretty new... any one try it yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 i know this is still pretty new... any one try it yet? I want some end user feedback too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Yes I would like to know more about the bolt mod. The bolt mods done by Cobras Custom allow drums to be loaded on a closed bolt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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