my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Ok pictures deleted. No one wants to discuss why no one is advising them not to build these. Edited January 31, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Pretty cool. How much do these go for, roughly? Edited January 31, 2010 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Pictures deleted. Edited January 31, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I don't think any major builder is making them for retail. Probably just a few individuals building personal kits. Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) deleted Edited January 31, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 +1 to what nalioth said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) deleted Edited January 31, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. Why is that? I thought AK pistols (in 7.62x39) were standard items now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. Why is that? I thought AK pistols (in 7.62x39) were standard items now. I was hoping for a decent discussion on what is lacking on certain other AK boards that don't seem to warn the few home builders to not make these. No one seems to want to discuss that though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. Why is that? I thought AK pistols (in 7.62x39) were standard items now. . . before they became "standard items", cheap (soft) steel cored 7.62x39 used to be $40/case. The advent of a "pistol" that could shoot this cheap (soft) steel cored ammo triggered the "no importation or sales of armor piercing pistol ammunition" Federal law. Wanna see Century et al get stuck with hundreds of tons of cheap 5.45 that they can't sell and you can't buy? Just let the 5.45x39 AK "pistol" become a "standard item". Edited January 31, 2010 by nalioth 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 . . before they became "standard items", cheap (soft) steel cored 7.62x39 used to be $40/case. The advent of a "pistol" that could shoot this cheap (soft) steel cored ammo triggered the "no importation or sales of armor piercing pistol ammunition" Federal law. Wanna see Century et al get stuck with hundreds of tons of cheap 5.45 that they can't sell and you can't buy? Just let the 5.45x39 AK "pistol" become a "standard item". Yikes. Another stupid federal law. Well, I love my cheap 5.45 ammo. I'll do my part to keep it legal. Mums the word. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. Why is that? I thought AK pistols (in 7.62x39) were standard items now. The problem is steel core ammo is politically incorrect for handguns according to the antigun lawmakers. The worry is that if some real weapons distributor began to make these the powers that be might ban any further importation and sale of steel core surplus 5.45 . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 . . before they became "standard items", cheap (soft) steel cored 7.62x39 used to be $40/case. The advent of a "pistol" that could shoot this cheap (soft) steel cored ammo triggered the "no importation or sales of armor piercing pistol ammunition" Federal law. Wanna see Century et al get stuck with hundreds of tons of cheap 5.45 that they can't sell and you can't buy? Just let the 5.45x39 AK "pistol" become a "standard item". Yikes. Another stupid federal law. Well, I love my cheap 5.45 ammo. I'll do my part to keep it legal. Mums the word. Making such pistols is the problem and not talking about why they should not be made is another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cholly_horse 3 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Heres a KelTecPLR16, go for around $600 oops thought it was 5.45 Edited January 31, 2010 by cholly_horse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Making such pistols is the problem and not talking about why they should not be made is another. Yea, but when I saw it, I WANTED it. ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgOFqpRIlA Cause Lord knows... as soon as ONE image is posted on this site, the ATF will have that ammo BANNED by noon tomorrow! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaneman153a 39 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Man I could swear I saw a couple commercially made pistols based on a WASR-2 (well the hg's looked like WASRs anyway) a few years back in KY. I remember thinking, "great assholes, way to fuck it up for everyone" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) I don't think any major builder is making them for retail. Probably just a few individuals building personal kits. Want to see the cheap 5.45 become illegal to sell? Y'all keep it up. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=147338473 Whoever JD Tactical is hes making that more likely to happen by actually building them. One just sold on gunbroker 2 weeks ago. I have started to spot these more often in the past 3 years. Unfortunately, because its such a taboo issue to even discuss theres too many people unaware that they should not buy or build one. Edited February 1, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evildog 20 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Could somone pm a pic of one. I would like to see one not to build but just to see. Yes i also want to keep the ammo price down. I miss the days of 7.62x39 being CHEAP!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Could somone pm a pic of one. I would like to see one not to build but just to see. Yes i also want to keep the ammo price down. I miss the days of 7.62x39 being CHEAP!!!! Click on the link above there is some pictures on the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evildog 20 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulry 50 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) At a local gun show this last late fall and was checking out an AK pistol on a table of one of our local AK gunsmiths and I removed the 7.62x39 mag out and was reading the bottom of the action and it was labeled 5.45x39 and sure enough, looking at the barrel it was. This one was a full stone custom build, but I wanted it BAD! Sweet mother of gun! You never heard this from me! ED69 sup's with that Avatar? It's giving me the Hebe Jebe's! GERRRRRRRRRR Edited February 2, 2010 by Fluid Power Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tsm002 5 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Century makes them for retail. Draco or Champion pistols. Looking at them right now in the Century Catalog I got not too long ago. IIRC 5.45mm will never be classed as AP because it's below .22 cal. Note that: he definition of AP ammo is at 18 USC sec. 921(a)(17): "( The term `armor piercing ammunition' means- (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. © The term `armor piercing ammunition' does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Secretary finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Secretary finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device." Key point: over .22 cal. 5.45 is just under .22 cal. The cheap 5.45 is NOT in danger of being made illegal at ALL. It's not steel core, tungten core, whatever. The stuff I've seen is lead core bimetal jacket. The chicom stuff banned was steel core, mild. Bullshit still, but whatever. Not sure where this stuff comes from. All people have to do is read the case history and the relevant laws. No need to delete stuff or get worried because people are building them or selling them. ETA: 7.62x39mm IS cheap right now. Remember what it was BEFORE the norinco stuff? Wolf a few years ago was cheaper than the chicom stuff ever was barring a few promos. Edited February 2, 2010 by Tsm002 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Century makes them for retail. Draco or Champion pistols. Looking at them right now in the Century Catalog I got not too long ago. The Draco is offered in 7.62x39 and the Champion in .223 Rem/5.56x45. Century does not offer a 5.45x39 AK pistol. The cheap 5.45 is NOT in danger of being made illegal at ALL. It's not steel core, tungten core, whatever. The stuff I've seen is lead core bimetal jacket. The chicom stuff banned was steel core, mild. Bullshit still, but whatever. You obviously pay too much for your 5.45x39 ammunition. The Soviet Union surplussed decades worth of it a couple of years ago, and the entire supply that the countries of Poland and Bulgaria owned was sold off by those countries (with the vast majority of it coming here) at around the same time. This military 5.45x39 DOES have a hardened steel penetrator in it. You can get this ammo for a dime a round (or less, if you look around). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly 233 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 The 2nd "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". DUH. Keep on "accepting" that I cant have that cuz they saz so.............. Know your "right's". This aint a "privelege". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 You can get this ammo for a dime a round (or less, if you look around). I take it that you are not including shipping in the cost per round. The cheapest deal I've found is AIMSurplus. If you know of something cheaper still, please let me know. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Key point: over .22 cal. 5.45 is just under .22 cal. I have seen other people's measurements that indicate .220 for a pulled bullet which is smaller than a .222 rimfire but still .22 caliber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted April 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=165837279 Another one. $1600 buy now price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YARP 300 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 $1600.00 is a lot to pay for a gun to shoot cheaply....just sayin... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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