How many U.S. parts....

[Oldwheat 0]

....does a G2 FCG actually contribute??......In other words. if I add this & a U.S. pistol grip will I be safe to go with (unaltered) foriegn high capacity mags?......I would be retaining the 'stock' stock .......

[vjor 2]

[charger SE 0]

Wheat,

 

Vjor beat me to it, but US gas piston is another option if you want to retain the stock. I've found that the factory Saiga stock won't work well on a coverted (trigger moved forward) rifle, it's too long. But thats just me. I believe you MUST move the trigger forward to use a standard AK FCG.

[cvasqu03 21]

....does a G2 FCG actually contribute??......In other words. if I add this & a U.S. pistol grip will I be safe to go with (unaltered) foriegn high capacity mags?......I would be retaining the 'stock'   stock .......

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EDIT: AAARRRGGGHHH VJor & Charger SE both type faster than I do.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter how many US parts you add, what matters is how many FOREIGN parts you take away. You can't have more than 10 parts from the list of 20 that make up the gun. A "stock" saiga, has the following 14 foreign parts that count against you:

 

receiver

trunion

barrel

bolt

bolt carrier

gas piston

trigger

hammer

disconnector

stock

forearm

Magazine body

magazine follower

magazine floorplate

 

notice that pistol grip is not there because a stock Saiga doesn't have one. If you add a foreign made pistol grip you've increased your foreign parts count by one. If you add a US made pistol grip, you haven't increased it, but you haven't lowered it either so it doesn't really help as far as compliance.

 

Bottom line, the answer to your question is no. The FCG only replaces 3 foreign parts with US parts (trigger, hammer, disconnector). Since there are 14 foreign parts that count, you'd still be at 11. You could add a US made pistol grip and you'd still be at 11 at this point. Since you say you're planning to keep the standard buttstock, and the handguard is just about impossible to replace, your best bet would be to replace the gas piston with a US made one, that would bring your total foreign parts count down to 10 and you could legally use the hicap mags.

Edited March 31, 2005 by cvasqu03

[BattleRifleG3 16]

But on a Saiga rifle, there's a certain amount already there. I agree on the law technicality, but here's a simple way to put it:

 

For the conversion, you'll need a new PG, buttstock and FCG anyway, so why not get quality US made. If you really really want to use a certain foreign buttstock or grip, replace the piston instead. But then they probably wouldn't match. My standard is the SAW grip, G2 FCG, and K-Var NATO length Buttstock.

[pistonring8 1]

Good explanation cvasqu03, I would like to point out that mag followers will fit the Saiga mags but floorplates will not. Ask me how I know this!

[jeffmccracken 0]

OK, so what about this :

 

USA stock : -1

USA mag : -3

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Total Removed -4

 

Would this be legal?

 

If the foriegn mags count as 3 (Magazine body, follower and floorplate) why wouldn't this work?

 

 

JeffM

[Onepoint 0]

It would, 10 or less imported parts.

 

You do have a problem with the practical application of that with finding a stock that either is a copy or has some sort of configuration to work on the saiga with stock trigger position. But it would be legal to do so.

[cvasqu03 21]

It would, 10 or less imported parts.

 

You do have a problem with the practical application of that with finding a stock that either is a copy or has some sort of configuration to work on the saiga with stock trigger position.  But it would be legal to do so.

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It would also mean you have to use mags that have all three parts made in the US. The minute you put a magazine that has as much as one of these parts foreign made, you're in violation.

[uzitiger 193]

What about a US made pistol grip stock which fits on the Saiga receiver and does not move the trigger group? How many parts would have to be replaced to use one legally? I saw one on a user's rifle.

 

[SaigaShooter 0]

That was possibly my rifle you saw. I hand made that stock, and added a US gas piston and am using US made magazines.