Dinzag Bullet guide question

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I originally posted this question in the Saiga .223 section, but haven't received any answers. So I thought I'd try here being it's dedicated more towards the Dinzag products.

 

Hey all. You know I like to experiment and play. So, I'm done with my promag experiments and such. Definitely a worthwhile venture. Obviously not for everyone, but for those willing to do a little tweaking, definitely a cost efficient means of magazines.

 

Anyway, I digress. My next experimenting may be with the dinzag bullet guide. The only problem with experimenting with it, is you really only get one chance at drilling a hole. Matter of fact, I was contemplating semi-permanent installations until my experimenting is done. But my question, that I haven't been able to get a definitive answer on, is: Does the Dinzag bullet guide HAVE TO hang over the front as it does, to be effective? Basically, the existing design of the bullet guide has it hanging over the front and sitting almost flush with non-OEM/Surefire magazines. I understand the rational of having the bullet immediately ramping it's way up. However; as has been realized; this makes using the Dinzag bullet guide with OEM/Surefire magazines almost impossible without some grinding on the magazines. Has anyone tried seating the Dinzag bullet guide more forward, and mounting it flush with the magazine side of the trunnion? It's only 1/8". Is this a situation where that 1/8" won't allow non-oem magazines like the bulgies to ramp up soon enough? I think if the dinzag bullet guide was capable of being installed and using both oem/surefires as well as circle-10 or any other recommended magazine, that it would indeed be the best solution. But with the cost of .223 surplus magazines getting higher, and less available, wanting to use OEM/Surefire magazines, which are also coming down in price, might be a more feasible option. Fortunately, it looks like the promag magazines should work fine. That would probably be the PERFECT solution. $11 promag magazine, 3 seconds to PURPOSELY snap off the tab (Bullet guide); and use the Dinzag bullet guide.

 

Also, another reason if the bullet guide could work successfully by moving it forward a little, would be so a person could also but in a renegade AR-15 magazine adapter. That will most likely be either next on my experiments, or after the dinzag. If an OEM/Surefire won't fit with the current dinzag design, neither would a renegade. But that would be the ultimate. Dinzag which is permanent; AND a renegade, that can be put in or out at the speed of a magazine. Then, you'd be able to shoot OEM Saiga, Surefire, Promags with the tab broken off, bulgies, all other .223 style, as well as all the AR-15/M16 magazines you could use. And FWIW, that is my ultimate design. Find a way to make ALL the magazines work in the Saiga .223.

 

So, if anyone has any 1st hand info on the Dinzag that can help determine if there's some major issue with it having to have an overhang, that would be cool. If I can get my ultimate goal figured out, that would be great. If not, I'd like to be able to get a Dinzag to at least work with oem/surefire magazines WITHOUT ANY modification to the magazines. thanks.... mike.....

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Mine is mounted ALMOST flush in my 7.62x39 and factory mags and std mags pop-in both fine..

 

I would do like I did. Put a std AK mag in and then line up by 'eye' how far you want it to HANG out into the well.

 

Remember the BG only keeps the bullet TIP heading straight.. Not sure how FAR / MUCH lift the 223 needs.

 

You can try the super-glue trick for testing hand cycling..

 

I'll be doing my 5.45x39 BG this week when the BG gets here from DZ.. I'll run a few pics if you want..