mrvash 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Yes, I have searched this forum and Calguns.net, but came up with nothing. My question is, I currently live in California and I'm going to convert my Saiga .223 with a pistol grip and raddlock (bullet button) my only concern is how am I going to reload the rifle if I can't/allowed to detach the magazine. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blkgunlvr 31 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I'm not entirely "Cali savvy" (nor do I ever want to be) but it's my understanding that you cannot have a manually released magazine. That's the reason for replacing the thumb latch with a raddlock (bullet button). You are allowed to remove and reload your magazine, you just have to use a "tool" (a key or plunger or bullet tip from an unfired round) to release the magazine for replacement or reloading. The preposterous intent is to prevent "rapid reloading" of your "deadly assault weapon." Once again, I'm not positive of your regulations, but I believe that a "pronounced pistol grip" is also a no-no and you have to have a "stump stock" or "stock filler" to blend the pistol grip into the buttstock as pistol grips and even thumbhole stocks make your assault weapon more deadly and are therefore prohibited. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blkgunlvr 31 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I did a bit more research, because I was curious myself. I've seen some butt-ugly "no pronounced handgrip" stocks on some firearms, but apparently you can have an AK with a pistol grip, you just have to have the bullet button mag release and magazines of 10 rounds or less or permanently blocked to 10 rounds or less. The following is info from a Cali legal dealer - not posting their name in case they are not a paid vendor: California Legal AK47 Rifle For Sale , 762 x 39 semi auto rifle, these rifles have all the normal AK rifle features that you crave !! Pistol grip , bayonet lug, 16 inch chrome lined threaded barrel , able to take detachable mags, the rifles are built for us by Allied Arms on No Dak Spud top quality receivers with a pakerized finish. We then install a Bullet Button style device and ship the rifle with a blocked mag that will only take 9 -10 rounds this allows the rifle to be compliant in California due to the fact the magazine can not be easily removed. You will need to manipulate the mag latch with a bullet , small screw driver or other device & this is easy once you are familiar with the system . Rifle comes new with a 2 year warranty , mag catch bullet button style device , 30 round mag blocked off to 9 - 10 rounds. We will also be offering CA Legal AR 15 Rifles, CA Legal Saiga 12 Shotguns and CA Legal FAL .308 Style Rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvash 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I did a bit more research, because I was curious myself. I've seen some butt-ugly "no pronounced handgrip" stocks on some firearms, but apparently you can have an AK with a pistol grip, you just have to have the bullet button mag release and magazines of 10 rounds or less or permanently blocked to 10 rounds or less. The following is info from a Cali legal dealer - not posting their name in case they are not a paid vendor: California Legal AK47 Rifle For Sale , 762 x 39 semi auto rifle, these rifles have all the normal AK rifle features that you crave !! Pistol grip , bayonet lug, 16 inch chrome lined threaded barrel , able to take detachable mags, the rifles are built for us by Allied Arms on No Dak Spud top quality receivers with a pakerized finish. We then install a Bullet Button style device and ship the rifle with a blocked mag that will only take 9 -10 rounds this allows the rifle to be compliant in California due to the fact the magazine can not be easily removed. You will need to manipulate the mag latch with a bullet , small screw driver or other device & this is easy once you are familiar with the system . Rifle comes new with a 2 year warranty , mag catch bullet button style device , 30 round mag blocked off to 9 - 10 rounds. We will also be offering CA Legal AR 15 Rifles, CA Legal Saiga 12 Shotguns and CA Legal FAL .308 Style Rifles. Thank you for all the awesome info! and thank you, once again, for researching it and posting it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
55645 1 Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 (edited) What part of CA you from I use to live in Long Beach CA check out how this guy removes his mag on his CA legal Saiga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtKhTV9qWB8&feature=related Edited March 2, 2010 by 55645 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supersteve9219 0 Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I live in California, Im surprised you couldn't find the info on Calguns.net. Anyways, as long as you have a bullet button or raddlock just reloaded like normal. Just because you have a bullet button doesn't mean you can't take off your magazine, thats the whole point of the bullet button type devices, they make it so that the magazine is "permanently" attached, yet can be easily removed with a tool. At most ranges in CA you will see people with their AKs and ARs, they shoot, use a tool to take off the magazine, and pop another one in. Rinse and repeat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kendo671 1 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Look up AK bullet buttons on the calguns google search tab. IMHO don't get the raddlock BB. You need to drill the rivet out to replace the mag catch. The tool that comes with that BB is kind of difficult to release the mag. Look up jumbopanda or solar tactical bullet buttons. Those BB require no modification to your rifle. http://www.solartactical.com/product.sc?productId=24&categoryId=1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlliedArmory 3 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) the guy in the video is using a Raddlock This Magazine Lock has been designed to conform to the law as written in CA Penal Code § 12276.1 (a) which defined "detachable magazine" means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. Title 11 CCR § 5469 (a) “A Bullet or Ammunition cartridge is considered a tool.” Edited March 14, 2010 by AlliedArmory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Yes, I have searched this forum and Calguns.net, but came up with nothing. My question is, I currently live in California and I'm going to convert my Saiga .223 with a pistol grip and raddlock (bullet button) my only concern is how am I going to reload the rifle if I can't/allowed to detach the magazine. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. You can detach your mag in Cali, you just need to use somekind of tool to release the Bullet Button so the mag will drop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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