Coaxel60 3 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 -Polished bolt/carrier -Ace folding mechanism -Magpul CTR -Magpul Miad with ace AR to AK adapter -Custom forend (old chopped AR quad rail) -Custom Barrel Extension( Steel sleeved Air-soft Suppressor) -Hi-viz front sight post -tapco g2 and krebs plate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 -Polished bolt/carrier -Ace folding mechanism -Magpul CTR -Magpul Miad with ace AR to AK adapter -Custom forend (old chopped AR quad rail) -Custom Barrel Extension( Steel sleeved Air-soft Suppressor) -Hi-viz front sight post -tapco g2 and krebs plate So is that fake can permanently attached? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaxel60 3 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yep, I cut the tack weld off the original barrel nut, welded a section on steel pipe onto the nut (about 5 inches), threaded it back onto the barrel, welded everything on the rifle, and fit the fake can over everything. Took a little bit of time but only cost me 18 bucks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) This isn't mine, but I saw them on Arfcom awhile ago and saved the pics. One of the best looking Draco's I've seen. AK purists, don't scroll down........ Purist or not, that is freak'n hot! Damn, think I just looked into my future a little bit.... Just looks damn functional. Edited January 27, 2011 by sjgusmc21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I was wondering if you can share your info to me on how you customized the Ultimak rail to fit the draco? (what model Ultimak, tools used, etc.) I would really appreciate it!! Thanks in advance I didn't take a lot of pictures of the conversion process, but it's pretty straight forward. I should say though, the model M7 Ultimak (for the AMD-65) does fit and would work on the Draco without modification. You'd just have a 1/4" gap at the front and back. See this video if you're worried gaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hcuVyTcITQ If you don't want any gaps, then you'll have to mod the M1 model, like I did. Here's the M7: Here's the M1: I just used a band saw to cut it off. A hacksaw would be ok too. I then used a barrel drum sander on my dremel to open up the end of the thing where it fits over the gas block. A little Aluminum Black touched up the shiny silver: Hope that helps. *EDIT* Thought I'd add this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=574tPbnz4_c Just a few shots my buddy took. Gotta love the pumpkin sized flame balls. Alternative to cutting down M1 Ultimak... See my other post WOW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I was wondering if you can share your info to me on how you customized the Ultimak rail to fit the draco? (what model Ultimak, tools used, etc.) I would really appreciate it!! Thanks in advance I didn't take a lot of pictures of the conversion process, but it's pretty straight forward. I should say though, the model M7 Ultimak (for the AMD-65) does fit and would work on the Draco without modification. You'd just have a 1/4" gap at the front and back. See this video if you're worried gaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hcuVyTcITQ If you don't want any gaps, then you'll have to mod the M1 model, like I did. Here's the M7: Here's the M1: I just used a band saw to cut it off. A hacksaw would be ok too. I then used a barrel drum sander on my dremel to open up the end of the thing where it fits over the gas block. A little Aluminum Black touched up the shiny silver: Hope that helps. *EDIT* Thought I'd add this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=574tPbnz4_c Just a few shots my buddy took. Gotta love the pumpkin sized flame balls. Alternative to cutting down M1 Ultimak... See my other post WOW enough room on my Ultimak for a weapon light up front Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Say hello to my little friend on his way to becoming an SBR 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Say hello to my little friend on his way to becoming an SBR Wow, you have yours set up exactly how I want to have mine set up (when I get one). I planned on using the same exact handguards and grip! Well now I know what it looks like.........and I like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Say hello to my little friend on his way to becoming an SBR Wow, you have yours set up exactly how I want to have mine set up (when I get one). I planned on using the same exact handguards and grip! Well now I know what it looks like.........and I like it. Thanks brother, Im thinking of adding a tws gen2 rail cover, pws fsc 47 Brake, but this is what funds will allow for now. Im going for an sbr like the one you posted a pic of. It's awesome but I wouldn't need that all of the quad rail regardless of how much I like that look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Say hello to my little friend on his way to becoming an SBR Wow, you have yours set up exactly how I want to have mine set up (when I get one). I planned on using the same exact handguards and grip! Well now I know what it looks like.........and I like it. Thanks brother, Im thinking of adding a tws gen2 rail cover, pws fsc 47 Brake, but this is what funds will allow for now. Im going for an sbr like the one you posted a pic of. It's awesome but I wouldn't need that all of the quad rail regardless of how much I like that look. Agreed. That Draco gives me a raging hardon, but I can't personally stomach a $200 rail on a $300 gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
admbleg 35 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I went ahead and made it into a Rifle. I went through alot of debate (buy a Saiga 7.62 and convert, buy a WASR...etc) then said F* it and just did it. Cost is a typical 922 upgrades. Drilled the rear trunnion with a 3/16 bit and put 1" bolts. Used a Ace AR stock adapter milspec buffer tube with Magpul stock. Midwest Industries rail with a Primary Arms micro. AFG. Converted the Safety with a BHO as well as a finger tab for faster safe to fire. Welded a gas rod to the charging handle. (Shot about 90 rounds and is holding up fine) Pinned and welded the barrel extension. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) I went ahead and made it into a Rifle. I went through alot of debate (buy a Saiga 7.62 and convert, buy a WASR...etc) then said F* it and just did it. Cost is a typical 922 upgrades.Drilled the rear trunnion with a 3/16 bit and put 1" bolts. Used a Ace AR stock adapter milspec buffer tube with Magpul stock. Midwest Industries rail with a Primary Arms micro. AFG. Converted the Safety with a BHO as well as a finger tab for faster safe to fire. Welded a gas rod to the charging handle. (Shot about 90 rounds and is holding up fine) Pinned and welded the barrel extension. ..........and, of course, adding to that cost the $200 tax stamp for an SBR from that pesky BATF, right ?? Edited February 13, 2011 by Jeaux E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
admbleg 35 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I went ahead and made it into a Rifle. I went through alot of debate (buy a Saiga 7.62 and convert, buy a WASR...etc) then said F* it and just did it. Cost is a typical 922 upgrades.Drilled the rear trunnion with a 3/16 bit and put 1" bolts. Used a Ace AR stock adapter milspec buffer tube with Magpul stock. Midwest Industries rail with a Primary Arms micro. AFG. Converted the Safety with a BHO as well as a finger tab for faster safe to fire. Welded a gas rod to the charging handle. (Shot about 90 rounds and is holding up fine) Pinned and welded the barrel extension. ..........and, of course, adding to that cost the $200 tax stamp for an SBR from that pesky BATF, right ?? Nope... I wish I was able to pay the $200 but I live in a Gestapo state... Barrel length is at 16 5/8 .. Lets see.. cost's DRACO $350 Barrel extension $20 Pistol Grip $19 ACE pig nose $19.99 Magpul stock with tube $65 Gas Piston $14 Trigger group $32 MIdwest Ind Rail $105 $274 for the above items minus the cost of the Draco. Now granted buying a Saiga 7.62 would be around $400 ish .. Add the above maybe minus the Midwest Ind and add an Ultimate instead also include a ramp from dinzag... Buy a Barrel threader (since brian doesn't rent them anymore) and a few other items.. Of course Money wise I think I would be going with the 308 for my next rifle. Instead of another 7.62 x39 then again maybe not. Thats the fun thing about firearms making them our own... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 "Nope... I wish I was able to pay the $200 but I live in a Gestapo state... Barrel length is at 16 5/8 .." Jeez, that sucks...... Really nice, though......overall !! Great looking gun !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Yep, I cut the tack weld off the original barrel nut, welded a section on steel pipe onto the nut (about 5 inches), threaded it back onto the barrel, welded everything on the rifle, and fit the fake can over everything. Took a little bit of time but only cost me 18 bucks So does your 5 inches of pipe extend through the can? Can't see how it could. If is doesn't, I'd be careful with that thing in public as you have what the ATF considers a "one baffle" suppressor. Same thing with owners of GSG-5 SD .22lrs. They have to replace the fake can/shroud it came with for another that is ATF approved. You can read about it here. American Tactical Imports ETA: The link was intended for info only, not plugging ATI's products. Edited February 19, 2011 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Sweet Dracos which one of those brakes works better? And which is louder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hello, AZG The PWS (Draco) definately works better, as far as controlling the muzzle. The AK-74 (Red Jacket) works OK. They're both ear shattering loud, especially at a range with divider barriers between benches. The Red Jacket is slated to get a can in the near future, that 24mm FSB will come in handy. Respectfully, -guido Sweet Dracos which one of those brakes works better? And which is louder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hello, AZG The PWS (Draco) definately works better, as far as controlling the muzzle. The AK-74 (Red Jacket) works OK. They're both ear shattering loud, especially at a range with divider barriers between benches. The Red Jacket is slated to get a can in the near future, that 24mm FSB will come in handy. Respectfully, -guido Thanks for the imput. Ive been debating which to get. I have both already, the PWS on my m4 and the 24mm74 on all my saigas. I think ill eventually get a PWS. Greatfully, Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 i would love to get a draco, but apparently, california only allows 1 round mags for those. lame...... but at least we can still get full size AK's with 10 round mags, even if it needs a bullet button. its better than nothing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 i would love to get a draco, but apparently, california only allows 1 round mags for those. lame...... but at least we can still get full size AK's with 10 round mags, even if it needs a bullet button. its better than nothing I've seen places selling CA compliant Dracos, with a bullet button installed. You sure they're limited to 1 round? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 i would love to get a draco, but apparently, california only allows 1 round mags for those. lame...... but at least we can still get full size AK's with 10 round mags, even if it needs a bullet button. its better than nothing I've seen places selling CA compliant Dracos, with a bullet button installed. You sure they're limited to 1 round? honestly, i havent really looked into it, but i know atlantic firearms sells them with 1 round mags, or as they call it, a zero round sled mag. i suppose i jumped to the conclusion that these firearms need to have 1 round mags to be california legal because of this. heres the link to the specific product im talking about http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct920.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) i would love to get a draco, but apparently, california only allows 1 round mags for those. lame...... but at least we can still get full size AK's with 10 round mags, even if it needs a bullet button. its better than nothing I've seen places selling CA compliant Dracos, with a bullet button installed. You sure they're limited to 1 round? honestly, i havent really looked into it, but i know atlantic firearms sells them with 1 round mags, or as they call it, a zero round sled mag. i suppose i jumped to the conclusion that these firearms need to have 1 round mags to be california legal because of this. heres the link to the specific product im talking about http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct920.aspx They are brought into Commiefornia as a "single shot" pistol to get around the silly "approved pistols" list.What appears to be a 30 round mag is really a "slab" which has a weld at the top to make it basically a way to fill the hole in the mag well. Here in the PRK we have to jump through so many stupid left wing inspired hoops. The approved hand guns need to have about 10 or so destroyed to make sure they are "safe"...LOL AK's have been around for so long and reliability should not be in question BUT that's life here in the PRK. We can use 10 round mags as long as the bullet buttons/mag locks are installed. Edited March 2, 2011 by Berzerker2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 thats interesting. so its legal to buy a draco with a one round mag in california, then once you get it, put a 10 round AK mag on it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quicken 4 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 thats interesting. so its legal to buy a draco with a one round mag in california, then once you get it, put a 10 round AK mag on it? yep, just remove the single sled and pop in a 10 rounder. Single shot is to satisfy importation. vince Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minnpatriot 5 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Not to hijack this thread but does anyone here own a HELLPUP PISTOL from IO INC, they seems to have much better fit and finnish than the draco's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 IO puts out horrible products. Flip a coin and decide to buy one cause that the probability of getting one that doesnt work. They are nice great barrel but Nothing improved over the Draco. I only say this because I owned a IO Ak and it failed to feed and fsb/gb was bent as hell and the five I have seen in stores have been bent up too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YEL13 3 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 IO puts out horrible products. Flip a coin and decide to buy one cause that the probability of getting one that doesnt work. They are nice great barrel but Nothing improved over the Draco. I only say this because I owned a IO Ak and it failed to feed and fsb/gb was bent as hell and the five I have seen in stores have been bent up too. I got an IO AK as well, no horror stories though, guess I'm just lucky in that regard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minnpatriot 5 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 thanks for the heads up then i will avoid it like the plague. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 thats interesting. so its legal to buy a draco with a one round mag in california, then once you get it, put a 10 round AK mag on it? Technically it's not even a one round mag. It's a zero round "slab" or "sled" which ever term you use. Nice how they seem to give the crooks the upper hand in this state. They don't worry about gun laws.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 thats interesting. so its legal to buy a draco with a one round mag in california, then once you get it, put a 10 round AK mag on it? Technically it's not even a one round mag. It's a zero round "slab" or "sled" which ever term you use. Nice how they seem to give the crooks the upper hand in this state. They don't worry about gun laws.. you know, thats a point that alot of people dont seem to grasp. they impose these strict gun laws on people, like say, California residents, and the law abiding citizens obey the laws, but the criminals continue to break the law. ban on high capacity mags and full auto weapons doesnt stop them. but me on the other hand, i dont get to have a 30 round mag because the liberals say its evil. of course... they wonder why anyone would want that to defend their home 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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