How 'bout those hot-rodded Dracos?

[DrThunder88 912]

It almost looks like it was meant to be!

[Berzerker2 19]

heh, sorry guys, didnt mean to go off topic. anyway though, heres a pretty cool draco that i could get. its very affordable too. although, i think it would be really cool to put a quad rail on it, and some kind of traditional laser pointer style sight. maybe a skeleton stock too, although it would need a longer barrel on it too, to make it legal in california.

 

 

Just get an AK folder that's CA compliant! They sell'm, with the dreaded "maglock" of course and a 10 round "fixed magazine". Liberal California politicians love to put us law abiding citizens at a disadvantage when defending ourselves

[Saiga_rom 91]

heh, sorry guys, didnt mean to go off topic. anyway though, heres a pretty cool draco that i could get. its very affordable too. although, i think it would be really cool to put a quad rail on it, and some kind of traditional laser pointer style sight. maybe a skeleton stock too, although it would need a longer barrel on it too, to make it legal in california.

 

 

Just get an AK folder that's CA compliant! They sell'm, with the dreaded "maglock" of course and a 10 round "fixed magazine". Liberal California politicians love to put us law abiding citizens at a disadvantage when defending ourselves

 

that sounds very appealing man. i really like the compact AK as a rifle. i was thinking maybe even a draco with a fixed wire frame or skeleton stock. just gotta keep it at least 30 inches long, along with one of those stupid bullet buttons. you know, i cant begin to express how happy it would make me if they would drop that requirement. as you said, it puts us at a huge disadvantage if we want to use any type of exotic assault weapon for home defense

 

sporting...

 

so we gotta give the low life home invaders a sporting chance when they break in and threaten our personal safety, and the safety of our loved ones. theres something very wrong with that

Edited March 18, 2011 by Cali_Armz

[Berzerker2 19]

heh, sorry guys, didnt mean to go off topic. anyway though, heres a pretty cool draco that i could get. its very affordable too. although, i think it would be really cool to put a quad rail on it, and some kind of traditional laser pointer style sight. maybe a skeleton stock too, although it would need a longer barrel on it too, to make it legal in california.

 

 

Just get an AK folder that's CA compliant! They sell'm, with the dreaded "maglock" of course and a 10 round "fixed magazine". Liberal California politicians love to put us law abiding citizens at a disadvantage when defending ourselves

 

that sounds very appealing man. i really like the compact AK as a rifle. i was thinking maybe even a draco with a fixed wire frame or skeleton stock. just gotta keep it at least 30 inches long, along with one of those stupid bullet buttons. you know, i cant begin to express how happy it would make me if they would drop that requirement. as you said, it puts us at a huge disadvantage if we want to use any type of exotic assault weapon for home defense

 

sporting...

 

so we gotta give the low life home invaders a sporting chance when they break in and threaten our personal safety, and the safety of our loved ones. theres something very wrong with that

 

Life in the PRK...

[Saiga_rom 91]

in all fairness though, i dont think its arnold's fault california has such strict gun laws. dianne feinstein had more to do with it. i remember seeing some video of her in the mid 90s giving a speech about how assault weapons were evil and meant for "spraying" an area. she did this while holding an AK47 in her hands. it almost looked like she was at times pointing the rifle at the crowd too

[getitat 609]

Hello

 

This site contains a convenient "PM" feature for those wishing to entertain one-on-one conversations.

A thread specifically for photos/ideas of modified weapons (Dracos in particular) is probably not the forum you are looking for.

 

Just saying.....

 

-guido

[admbleg 35]

I don't care what people say "AK's suck for accuarcy" The Draco rocks!!

 

So this last week I was able to shoot my Converted Draco at some steel targets at 200 and 300m.

 

With the 11.5 barrel and a permatley attached extension I had no problem hitting targets. Even had a couple other guys take some shots. Making some AR guys fans of the AK platform.

[Saiga_rom 91]

I don't care what people say "AK's suck for accuarcy" The Draco rocks!!

 

So this last week I was able to shoot my Converted Draco at some steel targets at 200 and 300m.

 

With the 11.5 barrel and a permatley attached extension I had no problem hitting targets. Even had a couple other guys take some shots. Making some AR guys fans of the AK platform.

 

yea, the AR guys love to say negative things about the AKs accuracy. hell, that rumor was so common, i started to think it might be true. but now that i actually own an AK, i saw for myself they are in fact very accurate. im just as good a shot with my AK as i am with my AR15

[DrThunder88 912]

"Very accurate" might oversell the rifles, but performance is certainly acceptable in many circumstances.

[Saiga_rom 91]

"Very accurate" might oversell the rifles, but performance is certainly acceptable in many circumstances.

 

yea thats true. that term should apply to something like a high power rifle with a scope and heavy barrel. but AKs are much more accurate than i had expected them to be.

 

in fact there was a video i saw awhile ago that made AKs look terrible for accuracy compared to the AR. it had to have been extremely biased

[22_Shooter 1,560]

I've been contemplating on SBRing my spare Draco. I was cleaning out the safe when I found my old Butler Creek folder for an 870. Upon mock up I found it has a decent cheek weld and would be easy to attach "if" I get her a stamp*

 

What do you guys think. It definetly looks different**

 

 

 

 

*Stock and gun are not modified and stock connot be attached.

**Pics are for mock up purpose only.

***Your mileage and results may vary.

 

Looks pretty sweet! DO IT!

 

I agree 100%.

 

You'd have a 1-of-a-kind Draco, for sure.

[getitat 609]

Hello

 

I spent my weekend drilling and tapping a Draco rear trunnion for an Ace hinge, and I learned a couple of things.

 

First of all, I believe the trunnion may be a casting. Possibly forged, but I'm guessing cast steel. That would explain it's heft and solid feel.

That thing is hard as a preachers dick! (Sorry, Juggs...) Another reason I'm thinking it may be a casting.

I had a little difficulty drilling it, but with sharp cobalt bits it went fairly smoothly.

 

Tapping that shit was a different matter. I was trying to tap four 10-32 holes for the supplied Ace bolts. I had bored the holes out to 5/32" with the cobalt bits, and had a new TiNi coated tap and bit combo from Lowes (Chinese house brand). I enlarged the hole out to the spec'd size with the enclosed bit, a #22, and proceded to tap. That was so tight that the damn tap broke on the back stroke. I was going forward about 1/64 a turn at a time, then backing up and breaking the chip and oiling, and the tap broke going backward.

After fighting with various forms of Dremolition to remove the broken tap, I went and scored three Hansen tap and bit combos from Homo Depot. They, unlike the Chinese models, were constructed from H.S. tool steel, although they did not sport the glittery gold TiNi coating.

They included a #21 drill bit, which is a size larger than a #22. Interesting....

 

Well, to make a long story short, you need High Speed Tool Steel taps,(Hanson) and you need more than one, possibly. Change them out as soon as they get noticeably hard to turn. The Lowes (Kobalt) taps turn to shite as soon as the gold wears off, which is almost immediately.

You also may want to consider going with larger holes. I wound up enlarging the holes to a #19, 'cause I really didn't want to have to chase a broken tap out again. The bolts fit just fine.

 

Just a "heads up" to anybody contemplating this. I had no idea it would take 24 hours to drill and tap four holes.

 

YMMV....

-guido

[gregomega 929]

Hello

 

I spent my weekend drilling and tapping a Draco rear trunnion for an Ace hinge, and I learned a couple of things.

 

First of all, I believe the trunnion may be a casting. Possibly forged, but I'm guessing cast steel. That would explain it's heft and solid feel.

That thing is hard as a preachers dick! (Sorry, Juggs...) Another reason I'm thinking it may be a casting.

I had a little difficulty drilling it, but with sharp cobalt bits it went fairly smoothly.

 

Tapping that shit was a different matter. I was trying to tap four 10-32 holes for the supplied Ace bolts. I had bored the holes out to 5/32" with the cobalt bits, and had a new TiNi coated tap and bit combo from Lowes (Chinese house brand). I enlarged the hole out to the spec'd size with the enclosed bit, a #22, and proceded to tap. That was so tight that the damn tap broke on the back stroke. I was going forward about 1/64 a turn at a time, then backing up and breaking the chip and oiling, and the tap broke going backward.

After fighting with various forms of Dremolition to remove the broken tap, I went and scored three Hansen tap and bit combos from Homo Depot. They, unlike the Chinese models, were constructed from H.S. tool steel, although they did not sport the glittery gold TiNi coating.

They included a #21 drill bit, which is a size larger than a #22. Interesting....

 

Well, to make a long story short, you need High Speed Tool Steel taps,(Hanson) and you need more than one, possibly. Change them out as soon as they get noticeably hard to turn. The Lowes (Kobalt) taps turn to shite as soon as the gold wears off, which is almost immediately.

You also may want to consider going with larger holes. I wound up enlarging the holes to a #19, 'cause I really didn't want to have to chase a broken tap out again. The bolts fit just fine.

 

Just a "heads up" to anybody contemplating this. I had no idea it would take 24 hours to drill and tap four holes.

 

YMMV....

-guido

Thanks for the info. I will be attempting this as soon as my stamp comes back. I've read one other thread about the process being a pain. Im not looking forward to it. But with the info you've provided Im sure it'll go a little bit smoother.

 

Thanks

[quicken 4]

Hello

 

I spent my weekend drilling and tapping a Draco rear trunnion for an Ace hinge, and I learned a couple of things.

 

First of all, I believe the trunnion may be a casting. Possibly forged, but I'm guessing cast steel. That would explain it's heft and solid feel.

That thing is hard as a preachers dick! (Sorry, Juggs...) Another reason I'm thinking it may be a casting.

I had a little difficulty drilling it, but with sharp cobalt bits it went fairly smoothly.

 

Tapping that shit was a different matter. I was trying to tap four 10-32 holes for the supplied Ace bolts. I had bored the holes out to 5/32" with the cobalt bits, and had a new TiNi coated tap and bit combo from Lowes (Chinese house brand). I enlarged the hole out to the spec'd size with the enclosed bit, a #22, and proceded to tap. That was so tight that the damn tap broke on the back stroke. I was going forward about 1/64 a turn at a time, then backing up and breaking the chip and oiling, and the tap broke going backward.

After fighting with various forms of Dremolition to remove the broken tap, I went and scored three Hansen tap and bit combos from Homo Depot. They, unlike the Chinese models, were constructed from H.S. tool steel, although they did not sport the glittery gold TiNi coating.

They included a #21 drill bit, which is a size larger than a #22. Interesting....

 

Well, to make a long story short, you need High Speed Tool Steel taps,(Hanson) and you need more than one, possibly. Change them out as soon as they get noticeably hard to turn. The Lowes (Kobalt) taps turn to shite as soon as the gold wears off, which is almost immediately.

You also may want to consider going with larger holes. I wound up enlarging the holes to a #19, 'cause I really didn't want to have to chase a broken tap out again. The bolts fit just fine.

 

Just a "heads up" to anybody contemplating this. I had no idea it would take 24 hours to drill and tap four holes.

 

YMMV....

-guido

oh yeah its a PITA

 

estimating the job, how much do you think that cost you? including time?

 

vince @ msp fabrication

[admbleg 35]

Instead of attempting to tap the rear trunnion, use a loctite nut on the inside of the receiver. I did that when I placed my ACE pig nose for my ar stock.

 

Good luck.

[Saiga_rom 91]

Instead of attempting to tap the rear trunnion, use a loctite nut on the inside of the receiver. I did that when I placed my ACE pig nose for my ar stock.

 

Good luck.

 

i like that idea. tapping holes is tricky, especially because taps can be incredibly delicate. once i accidentally broke the tap inside the material before the threads were completely cut. it was an absolute nightmare to get the thing out

[getitat 609]

Hello

 

Mine's drilled and tapped, but in retrospect, replacing the rear trunnion for my wood stock conversion was probably no more difficult or time consuming than this was.

If I were to do it again, I think I could do it in two or three hours. Key is to drill oversize holes.

 

Bolts and nuts might be easier, but I think threaded holes would be more secure. I seem to always have issues with the hinge moving on the receiver after a period of time.

 

JMHO....

 

-guido

[Berzerker2 19]

Hello

 

Mine's drilled and tapped, but in retrospect, replacing the rear trunnion for my wood stock conversion was probably no more difficult or time consuming than this was.

If I were to do it again, I think I could do it in two or three hours. Key is to drill oversize holes.

 

Bolts and nuts might be easier, but I think threaded holes would be more secure. I seem to always have issues with the hinge moving on the receiver after a period of time.

 

JMHO....

 

-guido

 

Ahhh excuse me but shouldn't this type of post be in the "technical questions" section?

You know, as long as we are nitpickin postings. Thank you very much

[Berzerker2 19]

in all fairness though, i dont think its arnold's fault california has such strict gun laws. dianne feinstein had more to do with it. i remember seeing some video of her in the mid 90s giving a speech about how assault weapons were evil and meant for "spraying" an area. she did this while holding an AK47 in her hands. it almost looked like she was at times pointing the rifle at the crowd too

 

Arnold is a RINO and has signed into law numerous anti gun laws. He would outlaw Dracos if he could...Draco Draco Draco... hope that satisfies everyone

[Saiga_rom 91]

in all fairness though, i dont think its arnold's fault california has such strict gun laws. dianne feinstein had more to do with it. i remember seeing some video of her in the mid 90s giving a speech about how assault weapons were evil and meant for "spraying" an area. she did this while holding an AK47 in her hands. it almost looked like she was at times pointing the rifle at the crowd too

 

Arnold is a RINO and has signed into law numerous anti gun laws. He would outlaw Dracos if he could...Draco Draco Draco... hope that satisfies everyone

 

damn man, really? im sorry to hear that about arnold. i thought he was cooler than that

 

id -1 him if i could!! lol

[getitat 609]

Hello

 

 

Maybe went over your head, but my post was intended to simplify the modification issues of these firearms that other folks may encounter.

That's kinda the reason this list exists. Your posts are trivial chats like Valley girl bitches that nobody else gives a shit about.

Which, if you insist on bringing them up, should probably be in the Political section.

 

Possibly, when you young'ns grow up and actually possess/modify your own firearms you'll begin to understand.

Until then, I suppose you'll have to be content to discuss other topics in the firearms world.

 

Living vicariously, so to speak....

 

With all due respect,

-guido

[Berzerker2 19]

Hello

 

 

Maybe went over your head, but my post was intended to simplify the modification issues of these firearms that other folks may encounter.

That's kinda the reason this list exists. Your posts are trivial chats like Valley girl bitches that nobody else gives a shit about.

Which, if you insist on bringing them up, should probably be in the Political section.

 

Possibly, when you young'ns grow up and actually possess/modify your own firearms you'll begin to understand.

Until then, I suppose you'll have to be content to discuss other topics in the firearms world.

 

Living vicariously, so to speak....

 

With all due respect,

-guido

 

Due respect? I don't really care what you think of us "youngun's" pal. Who the heck do you think you are? That type of message belongs in a PM... don't feel like you need to guide me though this forum. I was talking to a fellow Californian who is up against the same idiotic rules that force us to buy these "modified" DRACO'S. That is pertanent to this subject. I like this forum but I think I will bypass any threads started by you guido! Get a grip... a Draco grip..satisfied... my apologies to the OTHER members of this forum but I don't like forum bullies and know it all's. Hasta la Vista Guido

[Saiga_rom 91]

its hard to believe this guy would be anti gun

 

[Berzerker2 19]

its hard to believe this guy would be anti gun

 

 

Now that is one weird looking AK...PM me for Ex-Gov Girlyman info..don't want to stress out anyone. One nice thing about the CA compliant Dracos is that IF and WHEN I get moved to a "free state" all that maglock crap can be shit canned. I really like my new Vortex Sparc red dot. It really sits low and if I wanted to put my NVG behind it I would have enough room as the Vortex is shorter than my EoTech and with the various height adjustments available on the red dot I can line it up with my PVS18 monocular. Of course my cowitnessing of the iron sights would be lost. I think with the huge fire balls these things throw off, any night ops would be out anyway.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Berzerker2

[Saiga_rom 91]

yea, its definitely a unique stock. i suppose that appeals to some people, but i really prefer the classic pistol grip/AK stock. i suppose its because i have a tendency to like the traditional look in certain rifles, although generally speaking, im not much of a fan of thumbhole stocks.

 

i hear ya on the AK bullet buttons though. its kinda silly, the thing just bolts over the mag release, so when we move to a cooler state, that stupid thing can come right off. i probably have some unsightly scratches on my mag release though. screwdrivers have a tendency to do that to things.

 

but i agree though, i really like that lowered red dot sight on the draco. it seems like it would be ideal to put some kind of improved optical sight on one, although personally, id like to try running a traditional laser pointer style sight.

[getitat 609]

Hello Cali_Armz

 

All B.S aside...I'm posting info that I feel is relevant to the subject at hand. You feel you need to criticize that.

 

If you feel you have something to contribute to the other members of this forum, who am I to interfere? I'm sure that info would be welcome.

 

I don't think there's any reason to post shit just to be juvenile and anarchist or whatever.

 

I've been around this forum for a while, and for the most part I've been able to communicate without pissing people off. And I'm not trying to here.

 

So what do you say we get back to discussing guns, and the modifying of same?

 

Once again, with all due respect.....

 

-guido

[Saiga_rom 91]

i never criticized you guido. i did not come to this forum with any intent to argue with other people. we are adults, and should be better than that.

 

if you show me respect i will do the same for you. if you are hostile towards me, il ignore you and continue to have polite conversations with the other members

[Berzerker2 19]

Hello Cali_Armz

 

All B.S aside...I'm posting info that I feel is relevant to the subject at hand. You feel you need to criticize that.

 

If you feel you have something to contribute to the other members of this forum, who am I to interfere? I'm sure that info would be welcome.

 

I don't think there's any reason to post shit just to be juvenile and anarchist or whatever.

 

I've been around this forum for a while, and for the most part I've been able to communicate without pissing people off. And I'm not trying to here.

 

So what do you say we get back to discussing guns, and the modifying of same?

 

Once again, with all due respect.....

 

-guido

 

I think I'm the one you trashed..just chill out and stop talking down to people and I will enjoy talking about guns too. Just don't try and make me follow your "script".Politics don't effect you down the ithe Great State of Texas when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. It does here in Commiefornias and maybe others from here would be interested in what we have to say when it come to compliant versions of these little AK monsters.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Berzerker2

[Berzerker2 19]

i never criticized you guido. i did not come to this forum with any intent to argue with other people. we are adults, and should be better than that.

 

if you show me respect i will do the same for you. if you are hostile towards me, il ignore you and continue to have polite conversations with the other members

 

I forgot to ask you Cali, is that avatar Count Dracula? Or Vlad the Impaler I think was his real name? That's where the name Dracula originated I think. It's a variation of Draco or Dragon..I could be mistaken..Anyway PM me on that if you don't mind.

 

Anyway back to the Dracos, I use a riggers folding tool which has a long curved tool that folds out like a jacknife and it is perfect for unlocking the mag catch through the access hole in the mag lock.I have a lanyard that I have on my wrist that I've been training with to see how fast I can change the mags.I also have one of the bullet key chains, the .30 06 and I also use that on occasion as it doesn't mar the catch too much and it's long for good leverage. Of course it is an AK weapon and not supposed to be pristine anyway.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Berzerker2

[Cesium 2]

its hard to believe this guy would be anti gun

 

 

Valmet with odd stock?