Undertoneus 0 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I'm thinking about selling my Norinco SKS, for a Saiga .223, Main reason would be to get a rifle with Hi-Cap mags that don't have a massive duck bill on them. And I'm fairly frustrated with how front heavy my SKS is. Would this be a good switch? I live in Kommiefornia so Hi-caps are out of the question for now. Can anyone suggest a good bullet button so I can modify the Saiga if I decide to go in that direction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Undertoneus 0 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Oh, also, can I attach a bullet guide to a .223 to make it accept AR mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I'm thinking about selling my Norinco SKS, for a Saiga .223, Main reason would be to get a rifle with Hi-Cap mags that don't have a massive duck bill on them. And I'm fairly frustrated with how front heavy my SKS is. Would this be a good switch? I live in Kommiefornia so Hi-caps are out of the question for now. AKs are fairly front heavy too. Of course, you can change furniture or add a rear optics mount to change the balance. But I wouldn't convert a Saiga if I lived in California. I don't really understand your reasoning very well. Your main reason is to be able to have a rifle with high capacity mags, but you can't have high capacity mags on account of your location? Are you planning to move soon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Oh, also, can I attach a bullet guide to a .223 to make it accept AR mags? You need an adapter for that. Why would you want to use AR mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Undertoneus 0 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I'm thinking about selling my Norinco SKS, for a Saiga .223, Main reason would be to get a rifle with Hi-Cap mags that don't have a massive duck bill on them. And I'm fairly frustrated with how front heavy my SKS is. Would this be a good switch? I live in Kommiefornia so Hi-caps are out of the question for now. AKs are fairly front heavy too. Of course, you can change furniture or add a rear optics mount to change the balance. But I wouldn't convert a Saiga if I lived in California. I don't really understand your reasoning very well. Your main reason is to be able to have a rifle with high capacity mags, but you can't have high capacity mags on account of your location? Are you planning to move soon? Well one of the reasons is for Hi cap mags, I am planning on getting out of California as soon as physically possible, so I figure, do the majority of the modifications while i'm out here, and have it ready to go when I get somewhere that will allow me to have more than a 10rd. As for the AR mags, I was just curious, trying to explore some options, what would you suggest using? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 As for the AR mags, I was just curious, trying to explore some options, what would you suggest using? I just look at AR mags as one of the weak points of the AR system. There may be certain types of AR mags that are reliable, though. I confess not being an expert on that matter. But I'm not big on trying to make my AK into an AR. It works best fairly close to stock. I use Galil steel, Galil Orlite, and Circle 10 mags in my Saiga .223. What will work best is dependent on your particular gun. I had to modify my gun to get it to accept the Circle 10 mags (which are the best AK mags for this caliber), but others had no such difficulties. Jim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki0629 55 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 If it were me, I'd hang on to the sks while in CA and get a saiga in 7.62x39 when I moved out. Front heavy is good in that it helps manage recoil. Switching to .223 is a downgrade in effectiveness of the round in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gandog56 0 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I got both, and plan to keep it that way! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I have both, if I was stuck with a 10 round mag only I'd go with the SKS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russiangunrunner 10 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 saiga all the way dude. i'm a fan of the SKS yes, but i think it's pretty gay when people put funky stocks on them and retarded 40rd mags and other heresy....but hey, to each his own. the sks is a nice semi-auto carbine that holds ten rounds and can be reloaded from stripper clips... it is NOT an assault rifle and will never be one... and yes, the saiga can take AR mags with an adapter, BUT keep in mind that the mags on an AR are the weekest link of that rifle system, u want absolutely nothing to do with them. Even Pmags (what i use in iraq) pale in comparison to bulgarian 5.56 ak mags... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Undertoneus 0 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Ok, well I'm pretty convinced i'm gonna go with the Saiga. Would you suggest .223 or 7.62, or should I spend a little more for the .308? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cooger 19 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I love my .223 but if I had it to do all over again I'd probably go with the x39. This is because of the mags. You can find ak mags for dirt cheap bu the circle 10's are expensive (but good). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Go with 7.62x39. They're lighter weight. The .223 uses an underbored 7.62 barrel, making it extremely front heavy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Go with 7.62x39. They're lighter weight. The .223 uses an underbored 7.62 barrel, making it extremely front heavy. I find the .223 front-heavy, but not "extremely" so. The underbored barrel is actually a feature, not a bug, allowing for longer sustained fire with less degradation of accuracy. The 30 round x39 magazines are nearly a half pound heavier than a 30 round .223 magazine when fully loaded, so any slight weight advantage of the x39 is evened out there. But since the OP already has an gun using 7.62x39, I think it would be natural to stay with that caliber when procuring a Saiga. I don't think the .223 would be a bad choice, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russiangunrunner 10 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 do what i do and buy one of everything... I've owned all of the calibers and i gotta say the 5.45 and the 5.56 are pretty damn accurate. for 762 i prefer the akms for the underfolder, but whatever, get what u think you'll like and you'll be pleased with it, they're nice rifles... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dobravery 49 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 do what i do and buy one of everything... I've owned all of the calibers and i gotta say the 5.45 and the 5.56 are pretty damn accurate. for 762 i prefer the akms for the underfolder, but whatever, get what u think you'll like and you'll be pleased with it, they're nice rifles... I agree with all that. My 5.56's shoot (steel case ammo) slightly better than any other 7.62x39 AKM I've seen. You also have more ammo choices. That said: If plan to only shoot 250yds or less, go 7.62x39. 5.56/.223 has a much flatter trajectory past 200yds, but consider how often do you plan to shoot that far. Also 7.62 with steel case ammo functions more to the original military specs. Many of the arguments of why 5.56 is better terminally loose effect when you shoot the steel case imported .223 stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
russiangunrunner 10 Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 yup. the only real difference is that using good comercial soft point .223 and a 5rd mag gives you a legal and very good shooting hunting rifle in most states... as long as you use good optics and stay under 300m you'll be VERY satisfied. out to 200m i've used one of my milled ak47's with irons and been happy too. so basically, just pick whatever round you think you'll use most and get it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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