Boba Debt 350 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) I got to handle one of these at a gun show today: Despite what some people say, I think this rifle handles great and the trigger pull wasn't bad at all. I'm going to get a couple and tune them up. I have a few ideas so now I just have to get to work Edited June 14, 2010 by Boba Debt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Boba Debt 350 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Nice What's up with the mag well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Yes! Please post pics of the process. I really want to 'pup my 308. Basically just like DancingBear's except with a mid/long range scope and bi-pod.. Where are you going to buy the stock kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'm going to buy two Bull Pup AK-47s already assembled and make a few changes to them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'm going to buy two Bull Pup AK-47s already assembled and make a few changes to them. Nice. How do you plan on modifying them? Center Fire sells the kit for less than $200. I'm seriously contemplating buying it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 You can get the kits on Gun Broker for $125 - $150 I'm going to add a plate and shoulder pad to the butt stock and I'm going to replace the front section with a modified UTG quad Rail. I'm not sure about the sights yet. I may remove them and use a optic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) Yeah, I built one on a MAK-90. The trigger pull is kind of like a squirt guns, but better then the military average once you polish the FCG. I like mine a lot and have carried it on "extra jobs" in a Tennis racket bag. I like the fact that I can use it one handed if I have to and center chest for building work. The trick to reloading quickly for me is to extend my strong arm and load it sideways. Most folks do not understand that the pistol grip has a mag guide built in to it. Dancing Bear, I also like magwell of yours, is it a 5.56 model? Edited June 13, 2010 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Nice What's up with the mag well? It uses AR 15 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 You can get the kits on Gun Broker for $125 - $150 I'm going to add a plate and shoulder pad to the butt stock and I'm going to replace the front section with a modified UTG quad Rail. I'm not sure about the sights yet. I may remove them and use a optic. I've looked and most places on GB won't ship to Cali. I'll check again though. Thanks. I'm interested to see how yours turn out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I had a stock left over from my S-12 Bull Pup Project so I got to work on making the shoulder pad mod. It's made from 1/4" thick aluminum plate which was cut into the basic shape of a T-6 plate. It is attached to the stock with 2 screws. The washers make it stand off from the original stock which creates a gap to tuck the flaps of a standard Tapco pad under giving it a finished look It was pretty easy. I'm sure this will make it more comfortable to shoot and I think it looks 100% better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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DrGonZo 157 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I had a stock left over from my S-12 Bull Pup Project so I got to work on making the shoulder pad mod. It's made from 1/4" thick aluminum plate which was cut into the basic shape of a T-6 plate. It is attached to the stock with 2 screws. The washers make it stand off from the original stock which creates a gap to tuck the flaps of a standard Tapco pad under giving it a finished look It was pretty easy. I'm sure this will make it more comfortable to shoot and I think it looks 100% better Looks good. I can't wait to install my kit when it gets here. This would be a good mod for my 308. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 I just ordered the rest of the parts I needed. Now I just have to wait for everything to show up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Just curious. How is the trigger on that thing Dancing Bear? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Just curious. How is the trigger on that thing Dancing Bear? Long but smooth. And it took some work to get it that way too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I received my rifles today, I was pretty surprised since I ordered them on Monday and they were shipped via UPS Ground It took about 3 minutes to modified one butt stock: The pad seems to make a lot of difference and it added about an inch to the LOP so now its 18" which sounds long but seems to work for this configuration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I worked on the quad rail for a wile but I'm not really happy with the results. This might work but it will have to be welded before I do the final fitting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) Hrm although this is not a gun I would consider a priority for me to get. I am actually interested in this project of yours. I like the first one you posted, not a big fan of the rails. I might could see making the bottom one work, but I think the top one is deff out(dont see it being useful imo). Just my 2cents. I would love to try shooting one of those though. Maybe I can talk one of my buddies into getting one. GL Boba and make sure you give it some thinking before you go welding it. Keep the pics coming. Edited June 19, 2010 by Chevyman097 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) I received my parts from CSS today The twins look good (yes, that is 2 different rifles) Edited June 19, 2010 by Boba Debt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 One for each hand.... great idea Yeah, you can't complain about that price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Boba, any way these kits can be used on the S-12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Boba, any way these kits can be used on the S-12? It would take some work but I think it could be done The Front Trigger housing is held in place with the front hand guard retainer and the receiver. You would have to manufacture a part that would work the same way but fit an S-12. Obviously the gas tube cover wouldn't work but I am going to get a quad rail to fit my 7.62 version and eventually I plan to Bull Pup my S-410 and S12 A lot of people have posted that these suck. I have been handling mine for a couple days now and I like more every time I play with them. They shoulder great, there isn't a thing wrong with the trigger pull and I can load and remove mags just as fast as I can on my Saiga. The most impressive factor is how solid they feel. Even though the entire kit is made from composite, the rifle feels like a serious rifle. I can't wait to go shoot them at a range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I would encourage anyone with one of these to play around with a two-handed pistol grip style hold on the rifle as well as the conventional oft-hand forward. The two-handed pistol style grip is, in my opinion, superior for close in work. I also like center chest usage for room-to-room style shooting. This works best with a red dot sight. Give it a try! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Boba, any way these kits can be used on the S-12? Here's my version on an S12. I added the top cover/rail w/sights. Works well and no extended front sight to catch on things. Takes alot of dremel/sanding drum work to fit the p-grip/forend. But worth it. Boba, I like the second pic w/ the rails. Thought about that for the S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) BP - That bull pup looks insane I like the way this kit handles so much I just ordered a kit to convert my S-410 and I would convert my S-12 but I don't think it would work with a short gas system gun. I might have to sell my S-12 Race Gun and start over witha stock S-12 Edited June 21, 2010 by Boba Debt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Hey BD, Are you using the stiff wire trigger linkages that come with the kits? Someone on this forum mentioned using a cable. I've found this to give a crisper trigger pull and is more adjustable to individual taste. Have fun with your conversions, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Hey BD, Are you using the stiff wire trigger linkages that come with the kits? Someone on this forum mentioned using a cable. I've found this to give a crisper trigger pull and is more adjustable to individual taste. Have fun with your conversions, lol. My AKs are came pre-assembled and I plan to use the wire that comes with the kit for my S-410. The pull doesn't bother me at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 My AKs are came pre-assembled and I plan to use the wire that comes with the kit for my S-410. The pull doesn't bother me at all. Kool, if they came that way and work for you, have fun. My problem was the fitting of it to the S12. Not really enough room along the mag so it rubbed. Should work on the S.410 well though. As always, looking forward to seeing the finished project(s). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 The 410 Bull Pup conversion is going well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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