1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I guess the basis of this question is what differentiates a saiga12 with a 20 rd drum from a AA-12, Jackhammer or the Street Sweeper. Why do these need a tax stamp and not the Saiga12. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Why poke a bear in the eye with a stick? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Clinton administration targeted a handful of weapons for reclassification. Those guns came from the factory in non-sporting configuration; since a 12-gauge shotgun has a bore over .50" in diameter, without a sporting purpose it can be defined under the NFA of '34 as a destructive device. The S-12 comes into the country in a sporting configuration, with a low-capacity magazine. The importer does not bring in high-capacity magazines or other non-sporting parts. The ATF has in the past stated its intent not to reclassify the S-12, and in its imported configuration doing so would be contrary to the written law. Restored Saigas in their proper pistol-grip configuration are a gray area. It is possible that they could be reclassified in the future, although unlikely. The drums themselves are very unlikely to be regulated by the ATF any more than any magazine is regulated. Without the passage of federal legislation, a 20-round drum magazine is just a magazine. It is not a weapon. It does not have serial numbers. There are some import/export regulations on weapons parts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) F-Troop has re-interpreted the law to suit its own interests before. They may yet again, especially with the HNIC (That's Head Narcissist Illegally Commanding) we've got now. Edited June 13, 2010 by patriot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Clinton administration targeted a handful of weapons for reclassification. Those guns came from the factory in non-sporting configuration; since a 12-gauge shotgun has a bore over .50" in diameter, without a sporting purpose it can be defined under the NFA of '34 as a destructive device. The S-12 comes into the country in a sporting configuration, with a low-capacity magazine. The importer does not bring in high-capacity magazines or other non-sporting parts. The ATF has in the past stated its intent not to reclassify the S-12, and in its imported configuration doing so would be contrary to the written law. Restored Saigas in their proper pistol-grip configuration are a gray area. It is possible that they could be reclassified in the future, although unlikely. The drums themselves are very unlikely to be regulated by the ATF any more than any magazine is regulated. Without the passage of federal legislation, a 20-round drum magazine is just a magazine. It is not a weapon. It does not have serial numbers. There are some import/export regulations on weapons parts. Very informative.thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Translation: "Be quiet!" We have ours, and I doubt the current administration needs more fuel for her enemies. I think they will leave us alone for a little while. To make an aggressive move against gun would only get more states to pass laws like Wyoming's that criminalize the BATF. Hmmm... Maybe we should encourage them to push their luck. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Honestly as cool as they are, they are still a shotgun. So what they hold a few more rounds, big deal. They are cool. But past that I don't really see any more danger from them then any other shotgun in capable hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Honestly as cool as they are, they are still a shotgun. So what they hold a few more rounds, big deal. They are cool. But past that I don't really see any more danger from them then any other shotgun in capable hands. The same could be said about any rifle though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Honestly as cool as they are, they are still a shotgun. So what they hold a few more rounds, big deal. They are cool. But past that I don't really see any more danger from them then any other shotgun in capable hands. The same could be said about any rifle though. Do you mean to say all those gun laws about evil guns are bullshit?!?!!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Honestly as cool as they are, they are still a shotgun. So what they hold a few more rounds, big deal. They are cool. But past that I don't really see any more danger from them then any other shotgun in capable hands. The same could be said about any rifle though. Do you mean to say all those gun laws about evil guns are bullshit?!?!!? Absolutely! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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