New S12 Sight system??

[SICARIO 26]

Is there an interest in a barrel mounted railed gas block type mount for your saiga that would take a flip up or detachable AR style front sight? In addition, there would be a rail mounted ghost ring rear sight for an extended quad rail. This would be as low profile as possible, and probably wouldn't co-witness with an optic, unless there was enough interest in the co-witness.

 

I'm working on a design for myself, and seeing if there's any interest out there.

[6500rpm 670]

I'll share this with you. This is a current project in process that I trimmed a bit off a Chaos extended quad rail top, and then mated a old BP-02 scope mount to some rail blank for a full length detachable rail to mount AR sights on. The problem I'm running into is there is a total lack of low profile AR style sights. There are some for HK 416's, but almost everything I've found as a set is pushing $200 for the low BUIS option. Standard AR sights just sit WTFU on the S12. I was really hoping Cameron would have made an AR version of the HK sights he's getting ready to release, that would have been the shit and there's plenty of tritium AR posts already on the market. I like your idea, but a low set of sights is what would really make it shine.

[Makc 64]

[SICARIO 26]

I was thinking of something like this for the barrel [gas block and then custom building, or buying a ghost ring sight similar to the LPA Ghost ring

Edited June 30, 2010 by SICARIO-

[SICARIO 26]

Here's an idea for a very simple lo-pro rear sight

 

 

Edited July 1, 2010 by SICARIO-

[6500rpm 670]

That's pretty good, but there's no provisions for windage, AR fronts are typically elevation only. Now if you just used a slot and screw to clamp it to the rail in place of the picatinny clamp (it looks like that's what Cameron did with his HK set), I think it would work fine. That, or make a base that accepts AR rear sight hardware= sweet.

[DrGonZo 157]

If you made both sides of the ghost ring adjustable, it could be adjusted for windage like the KelTec SU-16 detachable rear sight.

 

There would be 2 screws that thread into the center piece instead of one that goes all the way through and threads to a nut. The two screws could be adjusted individually to accommodate for windage.

 

 

 

Here is a picture of their buckhorn version:

 

[corbin 621]

SICARIO,

 

GG&G already make one like that. See bottom pic:

 

 

Granted, it's meant for an HK style sling clip, but it'd work.

Edited July 1, 2010 by Corbin

[DrGonZo 157]

SICARIO,

 

GG&G already make one like that. See bottom pic:

 

 

Granted, it's meant for an HK style sling clip, but it'd work.

 

Those are for mounting a sling, right?

I see where you said that they are sling mounts now....

Edited July 1, 2010 by DrGonZo

[Omega Invictus 2]

So whatever happened with this?

I'm running a Kushnapup S12 and the only viable option to co-witness appears to be on the barrel and behind the compensator.

 

Ideas...?

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

It is a rare occurrence for me to look at sights at all on a shotgun. From experience, I think most people would be better served spending that money ammo to learn how to point shoot for closer ranges or spend that money on a decent red dot for further ranges. If I have something sticking up more that 3/4" on a shotgun, it will be a red dot or holographic.

[Sdustin 578]

Check out this it's less money than q good red dot but works about the same. I'd think you would either love it or hate though.http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/jeremy-s/gear-review-see-all-open-sight/

[Omega Invictus 2]

That's pretty cool.

I found something working off the same technology, but has faster sight acquisition.

 

Check this out:

 

http://www.redringusa.com/

 

I already have one in the mail that I got for a steal on Gunbroker....

[pedal2alloy 206]

That's pretty cool.

I found something working off the same technology, but has faster sight acquisition.

 

Check this out:

 

http://www.redringusa.com/

 

I already have one in the mail that I got for a steal on Gunbroker....

 

I hope so, they are over $600

 

 

[Omega Invictus 2]

I snagged one for $350.

Still pretty steep (for me), but I think I got a helluva deal.

[twinhairdryers 2]

I put a CMORE railway onto a 2ring shotgun barrel mount.  very low line of sight, so it's flat out to a long distance.  This is the only sight i found that can stand up to thousands of rounds of shotgun recoil.  i have a whole box of other disintegrated peices of many other red dots including soviet side mounts/Kobras and such.   This set up is a PITA to remove and re-install and hold zero, but if you don't have to muck with it much it works great. 

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=426504476

Forgot to mention, the mount was 40bucks and the CMORE was about 210, so this setup was 250 bucks and i'm sure i have more than 5K rounds on it with a mix of dram's.

[Omega Invictus 2]

That a nice, clean setup.

[jdtravers 637]

I am at a loss why people put rifle sights on a shotgun, other than for looks, if they are looking for performance.  HK Sights on an SBS do look good!!

 

A shotgun is a point shoot platform and it take too long to acquire rifle sights in a stress situation.

 

I install either a red dot or a fiber optic up on the gas block, or both.  With practice you should be able to shoot slugs out to 100 yards with a good front fiber optic sight.

 

Also, can't beat a good 8 MOA Red Dot, like the Cmore Railway, STS, Docter, Fastfire, and RMR are very reliable for shotguns.  But you want to mount them as far back to the receiver as you can so the housing doesn't obscure the target and all you see is the red dot!

 

The red dot is without doubt, the fastest, most accurate sighting system you can put on a shotgun!!!  After that it is the fiber optic!!

 

Jack

[Omega Invictus 2]

I agree that shotguns are point and shoot, but I didn't realize how much I relied on SOME kind of guidance until I converted to a Kushnapup without sights.

With the unfamiliar conversion, I could barely hit shit at 30 yards!

Also, it's nice to have the backup option when your battery dies in the Red Dot.

[jdtravers 637]

Fiber optics!!!!!

[Omega Invictus 2]

I still prefer my RedRing.

[jdtravers 637]

Here is what I started prototyping a few years ago and just never really got time to finish it up.  I wanted to take an aluminum tube, extended from the clean out plug out to the end of the barrel and clamped in place, with a fiber optic sight on the end just like a standard shotgun.  In other words, the tube would look like the barrel of a standard shotgun and the Saiga Barrel would look like the

extended magazine.

 

Worked pretty good, and had that cool bling people like!!!  Don't know what I did with the pics.

 

Jack

[Omega Invictus 2]

I'd like to see what you're working on.

[jdtravers 637]

I may finish it up, just couldn't figure out the most cost effective way to manufacture it.  Definitely turned the Saiga into an excellent point shooting shotgun with that long sight radius and a Green Fiber Optic at the end of the tube, just like my Benelli.  You get a much better feel for point shooting it, when you can see the end of the barrel for reference, which is actually just the tube with a front sight on it.

 

Was developing it mainly for the guys who like to shoot clay birds with their Saigas.

 

Jack

[Omega Invictus 2]

It'd be nice to have something tough, low profile and affordable that didn't rely on batteries.

[cvhanh20 1,052]

It'd be nice to have something tough, low profile and affordable that didn't rely on batteries.

Here it is!

http://www.chaosus.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=QUAD_SIGHTS

[Omega Invictus 2]

Lol, iron sight are a good backup,but I prefer something with quicker acquisition and use for low light situations.