birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Finshed conversion to pg a few months ago but still did not like looks of factory handguard and was having some cycling problems also.After reading and looking at Cobra 76's details on his great looking job with wood I decided to try with some extra handguards that I had.I did remove gas block to open gas port that was partially blocked and with smaller diameter barrel was able to modify and use complete upper and lower retainers.Will now try to update 12 also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-treO8 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Very cool!! But, I don't get this part, "I did remove gas block to open gas port that was partially blocked and with smaller diameter barrel was able to modify..." Err, how did that work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Actually, I think its his lack of punctuation that's got ya confused.. He removed the gas block, and opened up a partially blocked gas port. Also, with the smaller diameter 20 gauge barrel he was able to modify and use upper and lower retainers from an AK style rifle. He will try the S12 next... Make sense? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-treO8 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Got it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 (edited) Sorry if I wasn't clear in first post but I didn't have to cut or split any of the retainers to fit gas tube or barrel.OD of gas tube is same on Saiga as most AK's,had to bore out lower retainer to fit barrel.Lower retainer is held in place by rear of gas block.Front upper retainer on gas block has to have flutes removed to fit rounded gas tube on Saiga.Still waiting on front and rear sights to complete.Will try and post pics to help explain better. Edited May 5, 2005 by birdman2scuba Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Can I get some pictures of how you did the upper and lower hand guard retainers. Also, can you still use the Iron sights? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 (edited) Can I get some pictures of how you did the upper and lower hand guard retainers.Also, can you still use the Iron sights? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rusty Can no longer use standard Saiga iron sights,upper handguard sets to high.Tried to modify sight rail but it flexed too much after trimming to fit hand guard.Here are some pics of retainers and of upper front before straightening.Let me know if you need to see more pics. Edited May 5, 2005 by birdman2scuba Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Nice lookin AK 20! Good job man. I wish I had the means to press off a gas block. How did you secure the rear retainer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Cobra Rear retainer spot welded to gas tube,no need for a press for gas block.Removed gas block on 20 and S12 with brass drift and reinstalled with rubber mallet.I did polish barrel where gas block sits but still has nice press fit.Thank You for all your great ideas to make this conversion eaiser.I am now working on S12 using RPK front and lower handguards,hope to have done this weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Shweet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Cant WAIT to see pics of that baby!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty 0 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 (edited) How did you bore out that hand guard? Did you drill it or freehand it with the almighty dremel? edit: Where did you get that sling? Edited May 6, 2005 by Rusty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Rusty I bored out lower retainer with a 1/2 to 1" tapered reamer,dremel was used for many other things but not this.Sling is E.German,came with a mag pouch and .223 ak mags.If your interested I have some extra lower retainers that I could bore out to fit S20 barrel,let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty 0 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 I'm definantly interested. How much do you want for one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Rusty All I want for one is price from kvar and shipping,mods are free.I have 2,so if anyone else needs one let me know.Will post some pics of S12 with wood on Saiga 12,just got together but still needs touch up on wood and metal.Send me a email for details on retainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty 0 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 PM Sent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
birdman2scuba 0 Posted May 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 PM sent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Man what ever happened to those S-12 pics? May was a long time ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Man what ever happened to those S-12 pics? May was a long time ago. Found it yesterday... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=5763&hl= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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