alistar 13 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 I'd like to experiment with the MD gas plug. My present gun shoots everything reliably with setting "1", so it may be that there is an issue of "overgassing". Mr. Rumore has indicated at his site that heavy loads should not be shot with setting 2, so it seems he would agree with this as a source of potential damage. The overgassing thing is easy to test. I have been told by the manufacturer that "1" on the stock regulator is about equivalent to 3-4 on the aftermarket plug, so seeing if the gun will cycle on a lower number will be the test. Presumably this will mean less wear on the gun and less recoil. For underpowered loads, it may be a little difficult to test, as everything I have shot will work with 1 or 2, and mostly 1. Can anyone suggest a widely available load that they have wanted to use, but have found won't cycle the Saiga well? I will try to find some and see if the aftermarket plug works to broaden the scope of what can actually be used in practice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parson Julabee Jones 32 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) I'd like to experiment with the MD gas plug. My present gun shoots everything reliably with setting "1", so it may be that there is an issue of "overgassing". Mr. Rumore has indicated at his site that heavy loads should not be shot with setting 2, so it seems he would agree with this as a source of potential damage. The overgassing thing is easy to test. I have been told by the manufacturer that "1" on the stock regulator is about equivalent to 3-4 on the aftermarket plug, so seeing if the gun will cycle on a lower number will be the test. Presumably this will mean less wear on the gun and less recoil. For underpowered loads, it may be a little difficult to test, as everything I have shot will work with 1 or 2, and mostly 1. Can anyone suggest a widely available load that they have wanted to use, but have found won't cycle the Saiga well? I will try to find some and see if the aftermarket plug works to broaden the scope of what can actually be used in practice. I have a suspicion that reliability issues are more a factor in differences between guns in the Saiga line, than any differences in ammo choices. While yours shoots fine on setting "1", I must use setting "5" (on the MD plug) in order to shoot both 00 buck and Federal low brass #7.5 shot. I also have to make certain the gun is held firmly to my shoulder....and have plans to polish the bolt, hammer and so forth, well, tomorrow in fact, time and inclination willing. I'd enjoy hearing how your testing proceeds, and any results you'd be willing to share. Thanks, PJJ Edited October 3, 2010 by PJJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JAldrich2008 28 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 A lot of people have problems running bulk Winchester Universal birdshot. My gun refused it before I enlarged my ports, but I have a feeling the next time I try it will be much more successful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Anything that is 1250 fps or below... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alistar 13 Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Anything that is 1250 fps or below... Remington gun club (1200 fps) works fine on setting 1 for me, but that's a good idea. I'll look for some slower and "reduced recoil" loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alistar 13 Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 All I could find today is 7/8 oz 1390 fps #8 birdshot. Not much variety here in Ohio, apparently. The info that came with the gun indicated that at least 1 1/8 oz should be used, so we will see on Friday when I can get out to the skeet range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) it really depends on youre guns set up. most stock saigas will have problems running low brass (mine ran federal low brass but thats was it) after a little work they can be made to shoot anything. i guess mine would probably crap out on LTL rounds. heres mine with some winchester universal Edited October 8, 2010 by psl sniper 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
INDYk 9 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) With mine none, It will shoot anything. I have done no mods,there are correct ports, built in 06. At fisrt it didnt shoot squat consistantly, AT ALL. 3 out of 5 would hang up using low fps bulk packs. After reading and searching around this site I learned to feed it some higher FPS for awhile, ya it cost more but it will break itself in too a 100% reliable shotgun. I use proper setting for all loads Mine will now eat every single round i feed it, it spits it all proper. low bulk to high. My two sents as well as others feed it 3"00buck and anything else with high FPS its nice to practice with lower fps rounds and other random rounds in my 12 . Now i dont want to sell it..lol good luck soldier. Edited October 8, 2010 by Indyk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alistar 13 Posted October 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Took out the new plug and the 7/8 (but 1340 fps) game and target shot to skeet range today. Rio target 1 1/8, Remington Gun club 1 1/8, the 7/8 oz and Wolf 00 buckshot all cycled perfectly on setting 4. On setting 3, the 00 wouldn't cycle. Alas. Back to the factory plug, which cycles everything on setting 1. I have kept an eye out for the "universal" but haven't found it anywhere locally. Unless it is much cheaper than Rio or Gun Club I won't be buying it in bulk over the internet. Able to buy the Rio for 4.00 a box once this year, but can't find anything better than about 5.50 for a box of 25, and shipping can be a bear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kingjoey 5 Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 Winchester AA's have been the only ammo that I've seen a majority of Saigas hate. Hell, even a lot of other semi-autos won't eat that crap. We use Federal bulk shells and they run reliably in Saigas and most other semis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RecycledElectrons 7 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 After one trip to the range: With both the factory gas plug, and the TAC-47 plug, in an otherwise stock SAIGA-12, I hand no trouble with any buckshot or slugs. Federal 7 1/2 and 8 birdshot, in 1 oz 3 1/4 dram or 1 1/8 oz 3 dram loadings fails to cycle more than half the time. RecycledElectrons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 After one trip to the range: With both the factory gas plug, and the TAC-47 plug, in an otherwise stock SAIGA-12, I hand no trouble with any buckshot or slugs. Federal 7 1/2 and 8 birdshot, in 1 oz 3 1/4 dram or 1 1/8 oz 3 dram loadings fails to cycle more than half the time. RecycledElectrons Well no offense, but duh, the Saiga-12 was made to cycle buckshot and slugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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