my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I found this video and had to guess this guy might have seen one of my vmax threads earlier this year. Yugo FMJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ZEfr-WcuY&feature=related Wolf sp and vmax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iUZqinYv2Y&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I found this video and had to guess this guy might have seen one of my vmax threads earlier this year. Yugo FMJ http://www.youtube.c...feature=related Wolf sp and vmax http://www.youtube.c...n_order&list=UL Good to know in case you ever have a desire to fist an exit wound. However, a real American would have shot the box of Keystone Light that he drank on the way into the woods, leaving a trail of empty cans in his wake. Anyone find any ballistics tests of the 5.45 vmax? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) Cool shit, but I do wish that you tested Wolf Military Classic 124 gr HP too. That 8M3 "Sapsan" bullet is supposed to be simply devastating, blowing all .223 loads out of the water. It's probably close to the VMax in performance at 1/10th the cost. I've been stocking up on that stuff lately. Any way, thanks for the entertainment. Edited November 6, 2010 by SpetsnazGRU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Damm its hard to believe a vmax can produce 10 times the damage that a yugo fmj does and 4 times the damage a wolf soft point produces within a short pathway through media. If someone could take one of these vmax or a russian 8m3 blowing a fist size hole in their chest and still pose a threat, they would be one serious badass. I can see how fmj might not do the job on the first shot but how many people could lose that much tissue with the more serious bullet design impacts with maybe a few pints of blood lost instantly and not fall over from sudden loss of blood pressure with liquified organs like heart, liver, and lungs. I know how people get so excited about FMJ tumbling but it is still not in the same league with expanding fragmenting bullets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Cool shit, but I do wish that you tested Wolf Military Classic 124 gr HP too. That 8M3 "Sapsan" bullet is supposed to be simply devastating, blowing all .223 loads out of the water. It's probably close to the VMax in performance at 1/10th the cost. I've been stocking up on that stuff lately. Any way, thanks for the entertainment. I did on water containers. Yep it is close and less expensive 1st video shot 1 FMJ shot 2 Wolf HP shot 3 MC 8m3 shot 4 vmax 2nd video 1 Brown bear hp 2 MC 8m3 3 vmax 4 corbon hp 150 grain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 someone else also did water container testing and for total depth I guess I might get some wet phone books to test 8m3 at close range and make a video. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Anyone find any ballistics tests of the 5.45 vmax? Here is a start 7n6 I will look for some wet paper tests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaNh-Bh1Go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 .223 vmax on second shot decent size hole but still not as big as the earlier fist size hole 5.45x39 is less mass so it will not likely do any more damage if a 5.45 vmax bullet was used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2RjJXINRhI&feature=related 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swells08 128 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Those Brown Bear HP sure did a number...almost like the other rounds... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Those Brown Bear HP sure did a number...almost like the other rounds... The brown bear hp used was video 2 shot 1. Better than wolf hp from video 1 but not near as much expanding/fragmenting as MC 8m3. If things keep moving like they are with 7.62x39, Russian ammo importers will hopefully take notice and eventually get the Russian ammo makers to produce a ballistic tip variety for export designed to work similar to vmax and hopefully at par price wise with other russian ammo. Sellier & Bellot started this and hopefully it catches on. http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/hunting-rifle-ammunitions-with-pts-bullets.php?product=19&view=all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 .223 vmax on second shot decent size hole but still not as big as the earlier fist size hole 5.45x39 is less mass so it will not likely do any more damage if a 5.45 vmax bullet was used http://www.youtube.c...feature=related I think the 5.45 vmax is bigger by 5 grains (60 vs. 55) but probably a good approximation. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Good to know in case you ever have a desire to fist an exit wound. However, a real American would have shot the box of Keystone Light that he drank on the way into the woods, leaving a trail of empty cans in his wake. I like you. I like you a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Awesome videos. Do you guys know if the Brown Bear HPs are an 8m3 like the Wolf MC? Also how do the Bear FMJs with an air pocket compare to the HP rounds? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
postbanben 9 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 shazam.mill classic gets the award for cheapest kick assing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
postbanben 9 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 i thought all the russian fmj had air pockets but to different degrees Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 Awesome videos. Do you guys know if the Brown Bear HPs are an 8m3 like the Wolf MC? Also how do the Bear FMJs with an air pocket compare to the HP rounds? Not the same bullet as 8m3. The surplus yugo 7.62x39 fmj is suppose to be purposely made to tumble and even so a serious tumbling mil spec round like this accounts for only enough damage to insert two fingers. The velocity is there but the mechanism is lacking to produce the most wounding possible. Increasing the frontal surface area that drags along in tissue will produce more tissue damage. Tumbling obviously increases the amount of surface area over an fmj frontal point but no where the same as with a bullet that expands widely or is torn open or into several pieces. An intact side ways moving bullet profile has a nice round cylinder shape that passes through tissue with less turbulence that a flat or jagged edge profile. Consider if anyone would find it easier to extract an intact bullet from a wound or bullet that has been deformed and ripped. The bullet that has deformed or expanded while traveling through tissue will increase the amount of pressure imparted upon the tissue and cause more damage. FMJ works but never as well as expansion and fragmentation can. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 So is all the Wolf MC 124gr HP's all this magical '8M3'?? I have a box left with the red stripe (round bullet base) and red primer sealer here, and the newer stuff does not have the red stripe around the bullet base... a few boxes marked SA02 and some SA03.. guessing thats the production year or plant?? Any differences?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I enjoy the wet paper tests.. thank you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadslinger 37 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) 7.62 x 39 http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16_5.htm .223 http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16_3.htm there are a series of gel tests with various 7.62 x 39 rounds. I did a little unofficial research and it seems these hollow points actually do well hunting. the soft points have given some feeding problems. I do think the mc JHP 8m3 seem to be the way to go for cheap effective rounds. Turning concealment into cover and able to put food on the table if need be appeals to me. Edited November 6, 2010 by leadslinger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 They say in the video 123gr HP.. they mean the BLACK BOX one and not the MC??.. great video though.. Anyone find a test on the 124gr MC HP?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 They say in the video 123gr HP.. they mean the BLACK BOX one and not the MC??.. great video though.. Anyone find a test on the 124gr MC HP?? I seen this video a few times before and can't figure out why he is calling wolf hp 123 grains? 123 grains is the bear ammo hp. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirt Road 5 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 They say in the video 123gr HP.. they mean the BLACK BOX one and not the MC??.. great video though.. Anyone find a test on the 124gr MC HP?? I seen this video a few times before and can't figure out why he is calling wolf hp 123 grains? 123 grains is the bear ammo hp. AIM surplus has the Wolf M.C. on sale for $4.59 per 20 rd. box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 It looks from the water jugs that the 8m3 HP is about as devestating as the Hornady V Max. Close enough for me, especially when I am paying $4.39 per 20 for 500 rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) It looks from the water jugs that the 8m3 HP is about as devestating as the Hornady V Max. Close enough for me, especially when I am paying $4.39 per 20 for 500 rounds. From examining the water containers and wet paper media tests I would think they are fairly close enough in performance. From the famous 2006 testing thread on theakforum there is a decently focused wet paper exit hole picture at 200 yards with 8m3. Pretty big hole to say the least for 200 yards. That hole at 200 yards is larger than the tumbling yugo fmj hole at close range in the video in in the first post. I would say that with the advent of this well designed bullet the russian engineers have made the nastiest wounding intermediate range bullet that has ever been exported to the US from Russia. The bonus is it works fantastic on deer and hogs also. If the whitehouse ever shuts down foreign ammo imports, its nice to know there is a US bullet and load for 7.62x39 that works just as well as 8m3. Buy it cheap and stack it deep in your ammo stockpile. at 200 yards Edited November 7, 2010 by my762buzz 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Hmmmm. That is a freaking nasty-ass hole for 200 yards!!!!! That looks like a 3200 FPS M193 ball 5.56mm wound at 50 yards! Dammmmnnnnnn! I have 500 rounds of Wolf MC 8m3 sealed up water tight and packed away, and another 200 in loose boxes in the .50 Cal ammo can with 700 Uly FMJ plinker ammo. I think I need to get another 500 rounds of it when I can while it is cheap, in case import dries up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I second that rangemaster!!!! Didn't know how awesome the Wolf MC 124 gr. hollow point were. Have about 300 rounds myself. Definitely keep them away from the FMJ's!! Glad I'm a member of this forum, I've learned so much in just a few days!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadslinger 37 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 OK just to help clear things up for an old brain.... general consensus wolf mc 124 grain in what looks like cammo box best option, then generic wolf jhps along with various bear types as long as they range 122 to 124 grain? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) OK just to help clear things up for an old brain.... general consensus wolf mc 124 grain in what looks like cammo box best option, then generic wolf jhps along with various bear types as long as they range 122 to 124 grain? Russian made hollow points in this order (Most effective) Wolf MC/camo box 8m3 > Brown/silver/golden bear hp > Wolf Black box hp (least effective) Edited November 7, 2010 by my762buzz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadslinger 37 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 thanks my762buzz for straighting things out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 thanks my762buzz for straighting things out. Your welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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