number1punk 17 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 i'm shopping for a brake. i friggin love the looks of the amd-style, as well as the $15 price tag. but i have no idea concerning the functionality, so i'm hoping to get a couple suggestions. my main concerns are price and muzzle climb. i can handle shoulder-thumping, and i can live with flash, but i feel i my follow up shots would be a little quicker if i could keep the muzzle from hopping up. what are my options? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 As far as I know, none of the cheaper brakes work all too well. If you want the stuff that actually works , get one of the AK74 style brakes that cost over $50 (the cheaper ones are (for the most part) cosmetic replicas and not functional copies). A proper AK74 style brake works great and so do the Primary Weapon Systems brakes, which are rather pricey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) AMD style brakes excel at one thing; deafening the shooter and anyone nearby. I don't think much of em. I agree with SpetsnazGRU, it's tough to beat the effectiveness of a 24mm '74-type brake. I use em exclusively on my current 7.62x39 rifles. Here's a pic of one in use: Edited November 30, 2010 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I take it you don't have a threaded barrel since you mentioned the AMD brake, which I believe are pin-on, but if you do happen to have a threaded barrel, I would recommend a 74 brake.(a real 74 brake with 24mm threads and off-set gas ports, not the 74 style brakes with 14mm threads.) I got one on GB (U.S. made copy) for around $20 including shipping, and I can definitely tell a difference. It does a great job at reducing muzzle rise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 AMD style brakes excel at one thing; deafening the shooter and anyone nearby. I don't think much of em. In a 24mm brake, I agree with SpetzGRU, it's tough to beat the effectiveness of a '74-type brake. I use em exclusively on my current 7.62x39 rifles. Here's a pic of one in use: So, that's a 74 brake in the pic, not an AMD one, right ? BTW, what kind of ammo were you using there ? I want mine to make fireballs like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I did an in-depth comparison a while back between a Bulgarian 24mm muzzle brake and a 14mm knockoff. You may be interested in the photos: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=57483 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 So, that's a 74 brake in the pic, not an AMD one, right ? BTW, what kind of ammo were you using there ? I want mine to make fireballs like that. Yeah, that's one of my '74-type brakes. I was just firing regular ol Brown Bear FMJ. The side blast isn't usually that visible; that was an exceptional fireball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
number1punk 17 Posted November 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) still have shrouded bbl. planned on cutting that off and threading for 14x1 LH, unless there's a better way to go. how are you attaching 24mm brakes to the bbl? thread the shroud? Edited November 30, 2010 by number1punk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 still have shrouded bbl. planned on cutting that off and threading for 14x1 LH, unless there's a better way to go. how are you attaching 24mm brakes to the bbl? thread the shroud? You can either change the FSB to a 24mm threaded one, or thread the barrel 14x1 and use a 14x1 to 24mm adapter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
number1punk 17 Posted November 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 thanks all for the help. this is starting to look like a pricey venture, but all my toys seem to be anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Check out MARKW1 on the for sale section here on this site. He's got Bulgarian surplus FSBs and brakes for $85 total, best deal out there IMO. Nothing wrong with an adapter though, but the FSB is actually pretty simple to change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 So, that's a 74 brake in the pic, not an AMD one, right ? BTW, what kind of ammo were you using there ? I want mine to make fireballs like that. Yeah, that's one of my '74-type brakes. I was just firing regular ol Brown Bear FMJ. The side blast isn't usually that visible; that was an exceptional fireball. Looks like the light was fading also or was heavy overcast. Lot of people don't realize how large a fireball can be at night after the first round you are essentially night blind for several seconds. This is why the Stoner rifle is always issued to troops with a flash hider. Some brakes do yield a portion of flash reduction but cannot advertise as so, only word of mouth there. There is also no blast from a FH and no stress on the end of your barrel. For the 39R round I choose a FH over a brake since odds are it will be dark if you ever have to use it for more than fun. The 308 is another matter Ive not made up my mind on yet. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 So, that's a 74 brake in the pic, not an AMD one, right ? BTW, what kind of ammo were you using there ? I want mine to make fireballs like that. Yeah, that's one of my '74-type brakes. I was just firing regular ol Brown Bear FMJ. The side blast isn't usually that visible; that was an exceptional fireball. Looks like the light was fading also or was heavy overcast... Yes, the light was fading; it was early evening and the sun had just sunk below the hill visible in the pic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 (edited) Lot of people don't realize how large a fireball can be at night after the first round you are essentially night blind for several seconds. I plan on testing out some red lense snow/ski googles. Red light from a night flash will not temporarily blind you. Keeping my rifle perfectly aimed for fast double or triple taps would be my priority. Red goggles will help whether you shoot a rifle, handgun, or shotgun. I keep all 3 types for home defense and can't rationalize putting a flash hider on my shotgun or pistol so the goggles would cover these too. Edited December 1, 2010 by my762buzz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 It's funny you mention Red light not blinding you at night, because I just read about this maybe a week ago. It's some interesting reading, basically what it boils down to is due to the way the human eye is, we see Red the easiest and White the worst. For an easy example, look how headlights in the oncoming lane blind you but brake lights right in front of you are no big deal at all. I can't find the page anymore but it was thing about the rods and cones in your eyes, and white being the hardest to see because white light is all the colors of the spectrum at once and it "overloads" the cones/rods in the eye IIRC. ALl right enough Bill Nye The Science Guy stuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 It's funny you mention Red light not blinding you at night, because I just read about this maybe a week ago. Oddly the one wavelength that humans see best at night is green 505 nm. The weapon laser and optic market has banked on this lately. I been seeing green headlights now and then. Pretty fucking extreme. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 Awesome, thanks for the picture. Those headlights look awesome. Unfortunately I have never seen them around here. All we have around here are douche bags who put those ridiculously bright lights on the front. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 (edited) A proper AK74 style brake works great and so do the Primary Weapon Systems brakes, which are rather pricey. If anyone's looking for a PWS FSC 47, I have one listed in the for sale section. Post any interested replies here. SPF. Edited December 2, 2010 by Dudethebagman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 I think AMD65 brakes (14mm L threaded, by the way) are awesome... so is the fireball and blast! I switched to an M16A1 style birdcage, and no excessive blast and zero fireball. The AMD65 brake would wake the neighbors and light up the neighborhood while it was at it! I know, I have one, and switched. I'll sell it to you cheap, though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) Night vision is a bit more complex than simply the partial solution of red light. The eye goes through several stages of dark adaptation finally reaching a point where even on moonless nights far from city lights you can determine shapes and movement, but this takes as long as 45 minutes of total darkness. Red light interferes the least with the process but by no means is the eye unaffected by it. Red does allow you to see better in very low red light but will inhibit the adaptation process somewhat. Goggles will reduce the amount of light and shift it red but think on it you are reducing light in a already low light environment. This places you at a disadvantage operating in lower light than a potential threat. Light intensification methods work very well as proven by the US armed forces, the "we own the night" tactical mindset. The better devices also are equipped with gain control so high levels of light are reduced to prevent bloom such as firearm flash. But lose the device though failure or bad luck and the eye is still not dark adapted due to light from the intensifier. The fact is if it were easy night vision devices would not be such a high priority and gone though so many generations, three I think are available to civilians. So whats the best way without spending a large chunk of change? Simple answer reducing flash as much as possible and some recommend closing one eye while firing saving the vision in at least that eye. Using a length of narrow white slightly reflective tape running the lenth of a few inches on top of the barrel or in the AKs case the gas tube can greatly help aiming in low light assisting your orientation, try it I had good results. Perhaps someone with SF background can comment more fully as my experience comes from being an astronomer back in the 80s and doing some low light rifle training when opportunity allows. Hearing is also a problem as firing any large bore weapon like a shotgun indoors is going to cause eardrum damage. There are however inexpensive devices that amplify low level sounds and reduce high level blasts working much the same as hearing aids. These give you a double advantage "hearing" better than the threat and not suffering the distraction of a burst eardrum which hopefully the threat experiences in addition to the normal dangers of a firefight. A simple set of quick insert ear plugs stored with your home defense weapon can literally be a life saver as the pain from burst ear drums can make you near helpless. It might be nice if we didn't have to go though so much trouble and expense for noise suppressors that also do a great job on flash but big brother just wont have that. If you do go that route always plan on the threat not having the courtesy to also suppress his weapon. Please do investigate this and let us know if there is a different take on the subject as its potentially very important to us all. links http://www.defendu.com/fight_night.htm http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/getting-the-low-light-tactical-edge/ Edited December 3, 2010 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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