Grendel 0 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 A friend of mine just bought a new S-12....he doesn't have an account here but I'm recommending that he get one. His gun is still stock - he hasn't done a pistol grip conversion yet. We were out shooting it for the first time yesterday, when suddenly, the bolt hold open lever popped up and jammed the bolt open. The little "tab" that sticks out of the hole in the bottom of the receiver had disappeared up into the receiver. After checking things out, I was able to reach up through the BHO slot in the bottom of the receiver with a screwdriver blade and wiggle the tab back down into position. However, a few shots later, the same thing happened. Any recommendations on fixing this problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fumes 84 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) A friend of mine just bought a new S-12....he doesn't have an account here but I'm recommending that he get one. His gun is still stock - he hasn't done a pistol grip conversion yet. We were out shooting it for the first time yesterday, when suddenly, the bolt hold open lever popped up and jammed the bolt open. The little "tab" that sticks out of the hole in the bottom of the receiver had disappeared up into the receiver. After checking things out, I was able to reach up through the BHO slot in the bottom of the receiver with a screwdriver blade and wiggle the tab back down into position. However, a few shots later, the same thing happened. Any recommendations on fixing this problem? Check the 4th video, and you can see where Greg bent the spring to help stay on the arm, also you can file a slot in the arm of the BHO where the spring rides on it, to hold the spring as well. http://forum.saiga-1...showtopic=57912 Edited December 20, 2010 by Fumes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) If it's still spring loaded,that means the gun is likely converted & he accidentally hit the BHO while shooting. But it's more likely that the spring fell off. This is a VERY common issue. I tap the ear that the spring rests on with a dremel cutoff wheel on all guns I have a hand in to avoid this if they have a BHO. Notch a small V like this; and use hemostats, tweezers, thin needle nose or even a screwdriver & a lot of foul language to fish the end of the spring up to slip it back on after notching. ETA, With that notch, you'll be amazed how much easier reinstalling the BHO is, being as the spring doesn't slip off during installation. Edited December 20, 2010 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grendel 0 Posted December 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Thanks guys. Now that you mention it, I do remember that once the gun locked up, the BHO lever was no longer under spring pressure and was just flopping around inside the gun. Looks like y'all have found the problem. When we do the pistol grip conversion I'll have him file that notch for the spring and it should fix it right up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 Or just remove it and use a notched safety lever. I got tired of messing with mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crichards 0 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Or just remove it and use a notched safety lever. I got tired of messing with mine. I just got my Saiga 12 and had the same problem after about 20 rounds through it. Is the BHO required for the Saiga's sustained functionality or can the BHO be removed w/o potentially causing future problems for the gun? Thanks - this is my first post here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigaguy09 3 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Your S12 is stock, so check out that video that Greg made over on CSS and bend the leg on the end of that spring. Check the side to side movement of the hammer. I've only converted 2 S12's and used the Tromix Modified G2 on both. I did the pistol grip conversion, I bent the leg on the BHO spring, the BHO still retracted up into the reciever. There was too much material removed from the right side of the hammer, which were both ordered at different times, to the point where I had to add a small washer. After trying different width's, I found 2 from a 240sx I was working on that worked on both. Now I can't even jam a screwdriver in either S12, too get that BHO to go back up into the reciever. Edited February 16, 2011 by saigaguy09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parkerson 9 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Or just remove it and use a notched safety lever. I got tired of messing with mine. I just got my Saiga 12 and had the same problem after about 20 rounds through it. Is the BHO required for the Saiga's sustained functionality or can the BHO be removed w/o potentially causing future problems for the gun? Thanks - this is my first post here. Welcome to the forum. The "Search" feature is incredibly useful here. Virtually every question you have has been asked and answered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I was told that this problem was a "rare" occurance and that I was in the minority when I had it... Anyway, a removed BHO and a notched safety lever has me plenty happy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doberman 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Yeah, the same thing happened to me the first time I took mine out. I put the spring back on and then it happened again. I then popped the axis pin out and removed the BHO. Went back to shooting and then the axis pin I had removed and the one holding the FCG came loose. Then I got so pissed I tore the whole thing apart Worst part is I was on a weekend shooting trip..... Oh well, lesson learned! The day after I got home I shipped my internals off to Pauly for polishing and profiling..... For anyone thinking about having it done,,,, I highly recommend it... He does excellent work! Edited February 16, 2011 by Doberman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
incognito485 26 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yeah, the same thing happened to me the first time I took mine out. I put the spring back on and then it happened again. I then popped the axis pin out and removed the BHO. Went back to shooting and then the axis pin I had removed and the one holding the FCG came loose. Then I got so pissed I tore the whole thing apart Worst part is I was on a weekend shooting trip..... Oh well, lesson learned! The day after I got home I shipped my internals off to Pauly for polishing and profiling..... For anyone thinking about having it done,,,, I highly recommend it... He does excellent work! In my experience if your retaining pin or plate is secured property, the axis pins should not come out. You have to be careful when you secure the retaining plate or shepherds crook, or whatever you use. During the process of manipulating the retaining piece the back axis pin has a tendency to wanna come loose, and it can pull back into the gun. So if you're not careful an don't check it, your bolt hold open spring may come off the axis pin and be freed, while your putting your gun back together and you may not know it. Then when you pull your action back.....your BHO lever flips up and gets caught in the action. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr300zhb 0 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I just got the krebs custom BHO safety from midwayusa. The same thing had happened to me and I ended up taking the stock BHO out of my gun completely! Link to midway is below: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=561527 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoizrob 3 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I notched my lever and put a bit of a hook on the spring to wrap around and over the top of the BHO. Seems to work fine. Kinda wondering if you couldn't just drill a small hole in the BHO and bend the spring to form a tab and shove it into that drilled hole....Also wish I could take up some of the slop in the BHO. It can rock a bit sideways and the spring is only held in place by that small lip in the receiver. Can't help but think there is a better way of securing it... Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike1234567 26 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I notched my lever and put a bit of a hook on the spring to wrap around and over the top of the BHO. Seems to work fine. Kinda wondering if you couldn't just drill a small hole in the BHO and bend the spring to form a tab and shove it into that drilled hole....Also wish I could take up some of the slop in the BHO. It can rock a bit sideways and the spring is only held in place by that small lip in the receiver. Can't help but think there is a better way of securing it... Rob Please be sure to share if you figure it out!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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