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5.45x39 compared to the 223 or x39?


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I'm not so much asking about the rifles their self but the rounds. I am new to all this and trying to just find out about the 5.45, compared to the 223 or x39. Honestly untill these Saiga forums I never herd of the 5.45 thats how much of a FNG I am. Thanks so much for any and all help finding out about this round.

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It was pretty much Russia's answer to the 5.56. It's basically the 7.62 case shrunk to accept a 5.45 bullet. Long story short, it lacks the punch of the 7.62 but has better accuracy and a flatter trajectory. Some even think it has better ballistics than the 5.56, which is debatable. Just google it. There are countless threads on it.

 

Or you could just look 4 threads down...

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=60947&pid=581289&st=0entry581289

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Better penetration than 5.56x45

Flatter trajectory than 7.62x389

Less recoil than 7.62x39

Worse trajectory than 5.56x45

Worse penetration than 7.62x39

Worse terminal ballistics than 5.56x45

No good American market

No high-quality defensive loads

No real market for reloaders

Cheap Surplus

Corrosive Surplus

 

Just depends what matters to you.

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No good American market

No high-quality defensive loads

 

 

The Hornady 5.45 v-max rounds fit both of these, though I guess "high-quality" is debatable. From everything I've seen they are pretty nasty as far as rapid expansion and large wound channels.

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Better penetration than 5.56x45

I think that's too vague. There's so many different .223/5.56 rounds that we can't just say 5,45 is better. There's even different 5,45 rounds.

 

No real market for reloaders

I'd agree to an extent but people do reload using worked .222 bullets. Why? I don't know. There's a trillion rounds of surplus probably. Lol. That's an exageration but you get what I mean.

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The thing I like about it is the lack of recoil and muzzle rise even without a compensator. It stays right on target for multiple shots.

 

I'd add: "once used with correct compensator (muzzle break)".

AK-74 MB (original and "zigzag") are very helpful.

I can see the difference after getting Bulgy FSB with "zigzag" MB.

I wouldn't say recoil got much softer, but muzzle jump improved greatly.

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The thing I like about it is the lack of recoil and muzzle rise even without a compensator. It stays right on target for multiple shots.

 

I'd add: "once used with correct compensator (muzzle break)".

AK-74 MB (original and "zigzag") are very helpful.

I can see the difference after getting Bulgy FSB with "zigzag" MB.

I wouldn't say recoil got much softer, but muzzle jump improved greatly.

 

These can be used with 223 as well

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