Wolverine 10,360 Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 (edited) "I have yet to see any one come up w/ viable homemade mag yet. Now we're talking double stack!? I'm not holding my breath for it." 300RUM Amen!! Edited June 5, 2005 by Wolverine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shep 0 Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 I dont think a double stack mag would ever be possible for a 12 unless the gun industry makes a rimless 12 gauge round and that ain't gonna happen. Take a look at the inside of a Saiga mag or even a Knoxx drum. You'll notice that as part of the design there is a groove in there that the cartridge rim is meant to ride in. On the Saiga magazine that groove keeps the shells nicely in line until it reaches the top where the groove opens up and allows the that top shell to slide a little bit forward of the one beneath. This is essential for the Saiga to strip off that top round and chamber it. 1stRanger if you are reading this, I believe that is what went wrong with your conversion attempt. The grooves of your donor tower and the Knoxx aren't lined up properly and it causes some kind of binding to occur and the top round doesn't slide forward enough or at the right angle until you only get two rounds left. Those two rounds feed just fine correct? That's because they are no longer misaligned in the Knoxx and are up in the Saiga donor tower. I think that's where Flogger got his conversion right, he cut out the back portion of the metal Knoxx tower which allowed correct alignment of the grooves. At least that's my theory based on observing my own screw ups. Oh, and I'll take whatever I can get that holds five or more rounds and works reliably. Thank you. Shep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junkyardblacksmith 0 Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I've been talking about that for years. You could still use a plastic hull(thank god for high temperature nylon). Just modify the rim. Thing is though, the industry doesn't give a flying &*$% about the private consumer, because they know eventually the feds will finally win the "gun rights war". It won't be untill the military demands a rimless shotgun shell, that we will see one. We'll just have to make the son of a bitch ourselves Back to the grindstone... I dont think a double stack mag would ever be possible for a 12 unless the gun industry makes a rimless 12 gauge round and that ain't gonna happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 We were talking about rimless 12GA rounds some time ago, and 50 cal brass looks like the perfect donor. However I hate double stacks, unless they are alternate feed. Might be do-able on a SAIGA but the magwell will have a hole like the fleet's favorite whore! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I just scaned over this thread here is my suggestion for mag design look at the 22 LR mags on the market and scale them up. 22 LR are rimed just like shotguns shells and they work fine. My only concern with some of the ideas out there like the double stack is the rims would get caught on each other and screw up the works. But single stack 8 rd mags are fine with me. Eight in the stack and one in the pipe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Who will step up and do a belt fed S-12? G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amityn 0 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 June 2005 OK I'll bite. I like 10rnd mags because its the maximum capacity allowed in my state. Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ernestmayhand 10 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I vote for the 8 round Izhmash. Hard to find and expensive though. The best of both worlds, good amount of rounds and not too long. Even the AGP 10 seems long to me but I use them. I wish AGP would come out with a 8 rounder that was shorter. The MD20 won't allow me to fold my ACE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) I vote for the 8 round Izhmash. Hard to find and expensive though. The best of both worlds, good amount of rounds and not too long. Even the AGP 10 seems long to me but I use them. I wish AGP would come out with a 8 rounder that was shorter. The MD20 won't allow me to fold my ACE. I vote for leaving dead threads dead. No one is collecting information on a pet magazine project anymore! We're going to have to create a wall of shame for thread reincarnators ... But, since we are creating zombie threads that won't die ... I vote 100. Seems like it would be convenient for dumping in the value packs. I think birdshot is all that we'll need to protect us from zombie threads... Edited April 8, 2009 by kmoore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I vote for the 8 round Izhmash. Hard to find and expensive though. The best of both worlds, good amount of rounds and not too long. Even the AGP 10 seems long to me but I use them. I wish AGP would come out with a 8 rounder that was shorter. The MD20 won't allow me to fold my ACE. I vote for leaving dead threads dead. No one is collecting information on a pet magazine project anymore! We're going to have to create a wall of shame for thread reincarnators ... But, since we are creating zombie threads that won't die ... I vote 100. Seems like it would be convenient for dumping in the value packs. I think birdshot is all that we'll need to protect us from zombie threads... Someday they will make that wagon wheel drum for you! The problem isn't really zombie threads, becaws i would just as soon see someone piggyback another thread as make a new one for the same question or one related. Its useless polls that someone votes on and it goes to the top of the lost. If they could be voted on and not go into the most recent threads query, all would be well. besides, isn't it nice once in a while to be reminded of where we came from to enjoy what we have? theres no mention of the MD 20 or the surefire 12rnders in this. We are doing so awsome for mag options, isn't life great? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 (edited) Aarrggg... Edited April 11, 2009 by Paladin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I'd go with the 10rd compact drum from chaos soon as they're done with production. Its a very interesting design and will sell like hotcakes laced with LSD. Sorry for the hype . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) You would think that after 4 years the mags would be done by now Edited April 29, 2009 by pedal2alloy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crusader 64 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 I'd go with the 10rd compact drum from chaos soon as they're done with production. Its a very interesting design and will sell like hotcakes laced with LSD. Sorry for the hype . Will the up comming chaos drums accept both 2 3/4in and 3in shells? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,090 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) I like the 8 round configuration a lot. I used a Saigatech magazine adapter plate on one of my AGPs to make it an 8-round mag and am thinking about doing more. I am pretty sure that Tromix makes one as well. It seems the ideal length like this! It is a shame that this is not a factory AGP option! Edited May 8, 2009 by Azrial Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXasdf 29 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) I'd go with the 10rd compact drum from chaos soon as they're done with production. Its a very interesting design and will sell like hotcakes laced with LSD. Sorry for the hype . Will the up comming chaos drums accept both 2 3/4in and 3in shells? Don't know too many specifics but heres the thread with some CAD work. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...&pid=257511 Edited May 8, 2009 by XXasdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I like the 8 round configuration a lot. I used a Saigatech magazine adapter plate on one of my AGPs to make it an 8-round mag and am thinking about doing more. I am pretty sure that Tromix makes one as well. It seems the ideal length like this! It is a shame that this is not a factory AGP option! I'm pretty sure you already know this, because I think I've seen you post on it, but for everyone else's sake...........It is a factory option now. AGP now makes 6 and 8 round mags. For anyone interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
auradefect 5 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I vote for the 8 round Izhmash. Hard to find and expensive though. The best of both worlds, good amount of rounds and not too long. Even the AGP 10 seems long to me but I use them. I wish AGP would come out with a 8 rounder that was shorter. The MD20 won't allow me to fold my ACE. I would have to agree, factory Izhmash 8rd magazines are the absolute best. I actually have some of these for sale in the marketplace if anyone wants. Only problem is, they are very rare, and pricey because of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raoul_Duke 113 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Edited August 4, 2009 by Raoul_Duke Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I love drums! Someone please make a 25 or 30 round drum. I have seen rust on the spring in one of my new s12 mags also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,090 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I like the 8 round configuration a lot. I used a Saigatech magazine adapter plate on one of my AGPs to make it an 8-round mag and am thinking about doing more. I am pretty sure that Tromix makes one as well. It seems the ideal length like this! It is a shame that this is not a factory AGP option! I'm pretty sure you already know this, because I think I've seen you post on it, but for everyone else's sake...........It is a factory option now. AGP now makes 6 and 8 round mags. For anyone interested. Yeah, I guess that they got the idea from seeing mine.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Hefe 0 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 They all have there function that is why they have them in all sizes shapes and color. 2 rnds... Some ranges and hunting rules specify 5 rnds... Pretty standard shotgun good for mobility and tactical 8 rnds... Better than 5 and still can shoot in tactical situations 10 rnds... Getting a little donkey but less reloading at the range and who likes to spend all that time reloading? 12 rnds... Definetly donkey "D" but limited to the non-socialistic states (but now your shoulder is sore from slaming all those rounds in one swoop and you wish you were reloading instead) I won't even go into modified mags b/c you are way too cool or have too much time and money if you are slicing and dicing! If you like drums 20-30 rnds... you really hate to reload but you're the guy or gal standing at the range with biggest smile... or you're really ready to just f* somthing up and like to watch your whole pay check go up in a cloud of smoke. If you like the clear ones you like to taunt bad guys with how many rounds you have left or you are a lousy count and can't remember how many rounds you have left. Or maybe if you are one of those "tacticool" people shooting a mixed lot of ammo and trying to stay on top of slug or shot order. There I think we have solved the mag count discussion. I am sure if I left anything out someone will gladly chime in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I vote for the 8 round Izhmash. Hard to find and expensive though. The best of both worlds, good amount of rounds and not too long. Even the AGP 10 seems long to me but I use them. I wish AGP would come out with a 8 rounder that was shorter. The MD20 won't allow me to fold my ACE. I vote for leaving dead threads dead. No one is collecting information on a pet magazine project anymore! We're going to have to create a wall of shame for thread reincarnators ... But, since we are creating zombie threads that won't die ... I vote 100. Seems like it would be convenient for dumping in the value packs. I think birdshot is all that we'll need to protect us from zombie threads... I think it is fun to read old posts when their brought out. This is a good one. You can see what used to be available and compare it to now. And what people used to think and what we have learned. People used to doubt reliable drums were possible but look now. And the same will soon be true for the double stacks as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raoul_Duke 113 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 People used to doubt reliable drums were possible but look now. And the same will soon be true for the double stacks as well. Sweet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SELFDEFENSE 2 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Missing from the poll: Choice 1 - 20 round Choice 2 - 12 round Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GimmeLiberty 0 Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I actually like the 12 rounders too, but they are just too bulky and long. I can't wait for Mike to come out with the double stacks, maybe a 16 rounder the same length as a 8 rounder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Can a mod lock this thing already? Someone please! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 lol Hopefully MD Arms upcoming double-stack mags will make this thread completely moot soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nitrowing 0 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Why would you want to kill a thread some people (like me) have never read? I have standard 8rd plastic mags on a standard magwell S12 and have no idea what mags will even fit, never mind what others have chosen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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