yooper 8 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 could it be done so that a drum is double stack? i love the idea of 35-40 round capacity with md 20 size. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danklab 57 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. Edited January 19, 2011 by danklab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 It would be damn heavy though. Definitely heavy......but fun on the range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. I think it's possible, but because of the rim and variance in OAL even in 2.75" shells, would be very difficult to make reliable. For practical usage, twenty 12-gauge shotgun shells in a magazine is about the limit - and when I carry my S-12 it's only with a 5- or 8-round stick. If someone were to develop a truly high-capacity magazine for the S-12, it would be for range fun times, and an alternative to developing a belt-feed system for use on remotely-controlled armed robots - two S-12s, each with a 20-round drum, ain't enough firepower - you need at least twice that, of course!. The only practical solution I can come up with is a pan magazine. It worked for the DP-28/DPM, with rimmed rifle cartridges - it worked for the AM-180 (albeit with an external winder), and the concept scaled way up to nearly 300 cartridges in one magazine. Because of the variance in OAL it might be more of a challenge to make the concept work with shotgun shells, but it should be possible. A pan mag holding 40-60 rounds would be absolutely ridiculous for a man-portable weapon, but a shitload of fun mounted on an anchored tripod on range day. Edited January 19, 2011 by Shandlanos 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. I think it's possible, but because of the rim and variance in OAL even in 2.75" shells, would be very difficult to make reliable. For practical usage, twenty 12-gauge shotgun shells in a magazine is about the limit - and when I carry my S-12 it's only with a 5- or 8-round stick. If someone were to develop a truly high-capacity magazine for the S-12, it would be for range fun times, and an alternative to developing a belt-feed system for use on remotely-controlled armed robots - two S-12s, each with a 20-round drum, ain't enough firepower - you need at least twice that, of course!. The only practical solution I can come up with is a pan magazine. It worked for the DP-28/DPM, with rimmed rifle cartridges - it worked for the AM-180 (albeit with an external winder), and the concept scaled way up to nearly 300 cartridges in one magazine. Because of the variance in OAL it might be more of a challenge to make the concept work with shotgun shells, but it should be possible. A pan mag holding 40-60 rounds would be absolutely ridiculous for a man-portable weapon, but a shitload of fun mounted on an anchored tripod on range day. actually ive got an idea in my head that should be relativly reliable and very simple, and close to a md 20 in size. not a double drum. i dont know if i have the recourses to try it though. ill try to explain. inside the main mody if the drum, there would be no large revolving gear thing like in most drums. in its place, there would be a steel arm that pivots in the center or the drum. on the end of it would be a double stack follower like from a double stack magazine. and on each panel, front and back, there would be small walls, that come up to the arm right behind the follower to seal off where the shells go. they wouldnt be connected in order to allow the arm past. it would have to use the same mechanism as a double stack magazine to drop from double stack to single stack, then use a standard md 20 feedneck. basically it would be a double stack magazine bent in the shape of a drum, to give a example on shell path through the drum. i dont know how well ive explained this, if i didnt do a good job ill do somthing on microsoft paint that should be easier to understand. Edited January 19, 2011 by yooper14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickj427 15 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. I think it's possible, but because of the rim and variance in OAL even in 2.75" shells, would be very difficult to make reliable. For practical usage, twenty 12-gauge shotgun shells in a magazine is about the limit - and when I carry my S-12 it's only with a 5- or 8-round stick. If someone were to develop a truly high-capacity magazine for the S-12, it would be for range fun times, and an alternative to developing a belt-feed system for use on remotely-controlled armed robots - two S-12s, each with a 20-round drum, ain't enough firepower - you need at least twice that, of course!. The only practical solution I can come up with is a pan magazine. It worked for the DP-28/DPM, with rimmed rifle cartridges - it worked for the AM-180 (albeit with an external winder), and the concept scaled way up to nearly 300 cartridges in one magazine. Because of the variance in OAL it might be more of a challenge to make the concept work with shotgun shells, but it should be possible. A pan mag holding 40-60 rounds would be absolutely ridiculous for a man-portable weapon, but a shitload of fun mounted on an anchored tripod on range day. actually ive got an idea in my head that should be relativly reliable and very simple, and close to a md 20 in size. not a double drum. i dont know if i have the recourses to try it though. ill try to explain. inside the main mody if the drum, there would be no large revolving gear thing like in most drums. in its place, there would be a steel arm that pivots in the center or the drum. on the end of it would be a double stack follower like from a double stack magazine. and on each panel, front and back, there would be small walls, that come up to the arm right behind the follower to seal off where the shells go. they wouldnt be connected in order to allow the arm past. it would have to use the same mechanism as a double stack magazine to drop from double stack to single stack, then use a standard md 20 feedneck. basically it would be a double stack magazine bent in the shape of a drum, to give a example on shell path through the drum. i dont know how well ive explained this, if i didnt do a good job ill do somthing on microsoft paint that should be easier to understand. You mean something along these lines? Except of course in 12ga 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Why not a vehicle mounted S12 belt fed by dual ammo drums on each side? Sheesh..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 How about an ICBM that has a couple thousand pounds of mixed buckshot and slugs in the warhead? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
epbullen 21 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I feel like a double stack drum would be the equivalent of this classic gem Or perhaps this modest A-10 gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 How about an ICBM that has a couple thousand pounds of mixed buckshot and slugs in the warhead? YES! i like it. my favorite? the abrahms canister round, thousands of tungsten ball bearings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Something like the AR/M16 double drum for the s-12 would be cool as ice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BruisedShoulder 7 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Something like the AR/M16 double drum for the s-12 would be cool as ice... Yes and hopefully it would hold 100 rounds. This way I go to the range, shoot the 100 rounds and go home because it is probably all my shoulder could handle at once. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark4567 4 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Just to be different how about a 12 gauge C-mag holding 12-14 each side?? Compact size,firepower of a 20rd drum... Edited January 20, 2011 by PIZDA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. Its called "helical sweep" IIRC, and I believe that Chaos was designing their drum like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 If Mike D. gets his double stack mag concept birthed and out to market, this might be a possible further development - though it wouldn't be the size or shape of an MD-20. AK drum mags are single stack for a reason. If you were to make a double stack drum, it'd be a double drum - each stack feeds from one of the drums. Just like a C-mag. It'd be twice the size.. just like Shandlanos said.. it'd work like a C-mag. edit: thinking about AK drums though... I wonder if it would be possible to make a multi-rotation drum that winds up and would hold a couple of rounds in each channel of the sprocket like the AK drums. Something you'd set the follower and load from the back. It would be damn heavy though. I think it's possible, but because of the rim and variance in OAL even in 2.75" shells, would be very difficult to make reliable. For practical usage, twenty 12-gauge shotgun shells in a magazine is about the limit - and when I carry my S-12 it's only with a 5- or 8-round stick. If someone were to develop a truly high-capacity magazine for the S-12, it would be for range fun times, and an alternative to developing a belt-feed system for use on remotely-controlled armed robots - two S-12s, each with a 20-round drum, ain't enough firepower - you need at least twice that, of course!. The only practical solution I can come up with is a pan magazine. It worked for the DP-28/DPM, with rimmed rifle cartridges - it worked for the AM-180 (albeit with an external winder), and the concept scaled way up to nearly 300 cartridges in one magazine. Because of the variance in OAL it might be more of a challenge to make the concept work with shotgun shells, but it should be possible. A pan mag holding 40-60 rounds would be absolutely ridiculous for a man-portable weapon, but a shitload of fun mounted on an anchored tripod on range day. actually ive got an idea in my head that should be relativly reliable and very simple, and close to a md 20 in size. not a double drum. i dont know if i have the recourses to try it though. ill try to explain. inside the main mody if the drum, there would be no large revolving gear thing like in most drums. in its place, there would be a steel arm that pivots in the center or the drum. on the end of it would be a double stack follower like from a double stack magazine. and on each panel, front and back, there would be small walls, that come up to the arm right behind the follower to seal off where the shells go. they wouldnt be connected in order to allow the arm past. it would have to use the same mechanism as a double stack magazine to drop from double stack to single stack, then use a standard md 20 feedneck. basically it would be a double stack magazine bent in the shape of a drum, to give a example on shell path through the drum. i dont know how well ive explained this, if i didnt do a good job ill do somthing on microsoft paint that should be easier to understand. You mean something along these lines? Except of course in 12ga actually not quite. rather than a spring pushing it through, as shown in that picture, have a arm mounted in the middle that swings around the inside of the drum, with a md20 style spring stuck too it. with a double stack magazine follower on the end or the arm pushing the shells. then have it drop from double stack to single stack and from there to a feedneck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danklab 57 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I just want some doublestack 20s!!! But I do agree that a C-mag style with 12 rounds in each side would probably be the best option, and It would still be fairly easy to wield. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not that I support the AA12 over the S12...(because I don't)..but something like this would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not that I support the AA12 over the S12...(because I don't)..but something like this would be nice. Saigas and MD-20s were used on a military robot in at least production stages... Mike D had a vid up at one point... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's been around for a long time!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I heard you were going to use a cover like alliance did on the wraithfaker, but it looked too much like a bra... any truth to that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I heard you were going to use a cover like alliance did on the wraithfaker, but it looked too much like a bra... any truth to that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) It's been around for a long time!! I LOVE IT!!! What size bra does it wear? Edited January 21, 2011 by slostang Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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