rocinante 100 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I think it is but that is what my teenager wants. Am I being too critical or is it an abomination where form does not follow function. To me an AK is a run and gun gun not a sniper tool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC913 324 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) I don't really care for the looks, personally, but plenty of people use them. Edited February 3, 2011 by KC913 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Kinda off subject, but doesn't the Chinese MAK-90 have a Dragunov-style stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC913 324 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Kinda off subject, but doesn't the Chinese MAK-90 have a Dragunov-style stock? Yeah. They come with a thumbhole stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I think it is but that is what my teenager wants. Am I being too critical or is it an abomination where form does not follow function. To me an AK is a run and gun gun not a sniper tool. Just let him have it. He'll get sick of it eventually and change it. Until then, let him enjoy the coolness of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Personally, I think it's hideous, but it's absolutely doable. I'd need several pairs of hands to count how many I've seen with one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 you can always change it later... But really theres far more ergonomic choices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) I think it is but that is what my teenager wants. Am I being too critical or is it an abomination where form does not follow function. Sheesh, it's not like he told you he's gay or something. That being said, it may be fine for other people, but not my bag personally. I'd tend to agree with your "run and gun" theory. Those stocks look too breakable in that role, and make a mockery of the AK's reputation for indestructibility. Edited February 3, 2011 by Dudethebagman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'd tend to agree with your "run and gun" theory. Those stocks look too breakable in that role, and make a mockery of the AK's reputation for indestructibility. Nah, they're very durable and tough. That said, I got rid of mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Form follows function. DO not add retardasity at the expense of function.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Just tell your son there are freedom-starved people in California who would love to have a pistol grip. There's nothing inherently "sniper" about the Dragunov-style stock anyway. The design is a compromise because of the shape of the Dragunov receiver's back end. Not that rational discussion has a tendency to penetrate the minds of teenagers. I say let him have his thumbhole, allow him to show his cool gun online, and let Internet peer pressure do the rest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Form follows function. DO not add retardasity at the expense of function.... Exactly what function is being compromised with the PSL-style stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Form follows function. DO not add retardasity at the expense of function.... Exactly what function is being compromised with the PSL-style stock? It is not as friendly to left handed dad and kid brother. Edited February 3, 2011 by rocinante Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 It is not as friendly to left handed dad and kid brother. I was able to use it from either shoulder. The primary drawbacks of it are: - too heavy. Weighs 10 more ounces than K-Var buttstock and pistol grip combo. Might be good in counterbalancing a long-barreled/front heavy AK though. - grip too thick. I couldn't manipulate the safety lever with the back of my hand still around the pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Dragunov stock on a 16" Saiga??????????? Does Hulk Hogan wear a pink tutu??? Blasphemy! Buy him a 20", restore it, then put a Drag stock on it, along with a bi[pod and a 75 round drum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 He's a teenager? Oh, this should be easy. Look, just tell him that you would really prefer it if he would use the dragunov stock because it reminds you of the way his grand dad had his weapon set up. Also, that's what all the old guys at the range use because it's easier on their arthritic wrists. He should have that things off of there in a matter of seconds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 When did Dogman become a shrink? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 When did Dogman become a shrink? I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV .....the internet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 If you want to manipulate an adolescent boy, or any human male over age five for that matter, just make sure that the discouraged choice is plainly unmanly. Examples: "Sorry, son. The only Dragunov stock I could find is sparkly and pink. And yes, those ribbons are standard issue." "This is my son's rifle. I gave him the Dragunov-style stock because the extra weight will help absorb recoil until he builds up some muscles." "I know how much you like Justin Bieber, so I've engraved his face into your new stock's cheekpiece!" "You'll always be my son. I love you no matter what stock-orientation you are." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I solved the problem in pure dad dictatorial fashion. I ordered a century vz2008, their cheap vz58. He wanted wood furniture. I sold last night for 300 the yugo SKS that was designated as "his" and the vz was 379 so all in all he got upgraded I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 because it reminds you of the way his grand dad had his weapon set up. that would be a backfire to me. had i been told that, i would have used it and never considered an alternate on that rifle. maybe the next though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 How about a Choate brand Dragunov stock? It's got the Dragunov style, but it's polymer, lighter, and much better shaped than the wood one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Form follows function. DO not add retardasity at the expense of function.... Exactly what function is being compromised with the PSL-style stock? It has the following characteristics which compromise function: -Weight -Lack of ability for thumb to create a full seal -Lack of compartment for cleaning kit -Awkward placement of second finger (the one under the trigger finger sits to far away from the trigger on Romanian thumbhole stocks) There are probably a lot of other reasons, but I can think of them off the top of my head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ekim 6 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 To each their own, retards included. Not an actual snipers gun,it's only a 7.62x39 but it suit's my purposes. The butt stock is now 3/16" longer than a stock Saiga's. Works fine left or right handed. Not sure about sights/scope yet. Current sight radius is 4"longer than stock Saiga. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 How about a Choate brand Dragunov stock? It's got the Dragunov style, but it's polymer, lighter, and much better shaped than the wood one. I have one of those on my SAR-1. Works well for me because of my long arms. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted February 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I will admit those stocks look much better than what my kid was eyeballing. slostang where are you at in Georgia? Bet my stang is slower being I bent an axle shaft. It was gloriously stupid but fun doing it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted February 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) I want to formally apologize to any that took offense to my not liking the dragunov stock. I am one that loves to customize and "improve" EVERYTHING be it my car, my motorcycles, my guns. I know for a fact that my tastes and opinions are suspect and not the be all end all. Not everybody would hard chrome a P1 pistol. Even fewer would put rattlesnake covered grips on a S&W 915. Don't ask about what I did to the inside of my mustang. Who fuel injects a 350cc thumper? Ich bin a retard. I admit. A pissing contest may initially leave you with a warm tingly feeling but in the end you are all wet and stinky. Edited February 5, 2011 by rocinante Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I will admit those stocks look much better than what my kid was eyeballing. slostang where are you at in Georgia? Bet my stang is slower being I bent an axle shaft. It was gloriously stupid but fun doing it That sucks but its an easy fix. I guess mine is decent for a bolt-on / gear / tune setup. I'm down in mcdonough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) It has the following characteristics which compromise function: -Weight That doesn't really compromise function. Besides, as said before, it can be useful for counterbalancing a long barrel. But I do prefer something more lightweight myself. -Lack of compartment for cleaning kit Give up one feature, get another in return. Instead of a cleaning kit compartment, the spring loaded buttplate gives recoil reduction. My K-Var buttstocks won't eject the cleaning kit most of the time anyways. -Lack of ability for thumb to create a full seal -Awkward placement of second finger (the one under the trigger finger sits to far away from the trigger on Romanian thumbhole stocks) Well, I didn't realize notice either of those. I do find the grip too fat though. But none of these things make it a decisively bad stock. Jim Edited February 5, 2011 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nfafan 3 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm one of 4 people in the US that can tolerate the Romy "PSL" butt that comes with some WASRs. Take a Dremel and a sanding drum to the p-grip portion and "make it your own"; be surprised how it can turn out. Then stain and top-coat. They work just fine and add to the overall low-bucks, inflation-fighter approach to AKM ownership. As an aside, I swapped my PolyTech AKS-762 "SP" thumbhole for NOS PolyTech wood not because it was uncomfortable or nasty, but just because I wanted to make sure I had PolyTech furniture before it completely dissappeared. To each his own. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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