gregomega 929 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Just searching the KVAR website and saw this. quite interested. Has anyone used this yet? Edited February 16, 2011 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 no but i have to wonder: WHATS THE POINT?????? gas pucks dont really have issues with wear, so why would they make this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 TIN coating mostly prevents sticking, so maybe it prevents carbon build up. (I'm still using my factory puck) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 no but i have to wonder: WHATS THE POINT?????? gas pucks dont really have issues with wear, so why would they make this? hmmm......not sure but its cheaper than most($20), more appealing to my eye, and is a 922r us compliance part so I suppose if you were ordering your conversion kit from kvar that would be the way to go. I would get it, but I alreay have a King Puck ($30). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 other than 922r, aftermarket plugs are only good for fucking you out of your money 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BoKnows 12 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Titanium Nitride or TiN is used on Motorcycle Front Forks, my bike has them but they are shiny/polished to a mirror-like finish to prevent stiction. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 hmmm.... in that case mabye they do have a point, less sticking means less friction, but i dont think that would make a difference because the gas tube would still have carbon build up and that would interfere with the puck. personally id stick with a puck that is proven to run cleaner and cycle better, like the King Armory puck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Reguardless I think its always good to have new products coming out for saigas. It give owners more options. And more options IMO is always better. Edited February 16, 2011 by AZG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 i agree that more options is always better, the purpose of this one just seemed pointless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 There are much better surfaces for helping to stay clean and the best of them still don't help much at all with the molten plastic. The best there is is a teflon coating but telfon is only good to 600 degrees, really it starts breaking down around 500. We have never raised our gas block temp even close to 500 even from our full auto. But the intermitent gases... We tested 3 different teflon finishes alone... We have tested many, many different coatings and no matter what the piston design (open flowdesign included) none have made much a difference at all. We are still working on the right design but haven't had close to the results we are looking for. We are also thinking the factory chrome plates the diameter of the piston for corrosion resistance and not wear resistance. If the front rusts a little scrap it off... If the diameter is rusty, well... Just to let you guys know in 2 week we will have a stainless piston for sale. It has a shallow (to minimize increase in chamber volume) dished ring. This slightly reduces gas loss. It is in no way to be considered a reliability increaser or a stay clean piston... It is a compliance part replacment with a slight improvement. Did anyone ever notice the operating rod (piston on a rifle) is flat on the saiga-12 and the rifles are concave. Anyways, this part is going to retail for $10. We are about 2 weeks from releasing a different piston that will change the story big time. No longer will people say that their isn't a piston that increases reliability. It even has a fancy pants finish on it. A diamond like finish that is close to has slick as teflon. But it has a temperature rating of 1600 degrees (forget the exact number). This piston will retail for $16. The finish is pretty expensive... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 There are much better surfaces for helping to stay clean and the best of them still don't help much at all with the molten plastic. The best there is is a teflon coating but telfon is only good to 600 degrees, really it starts breaking down around 500. We have never raised our gas block temp even close to 500 even from our full auto. But the intermitent gases... We tested 3 different teflon finishes alone... We have tested many, many different coatings and no matter what the piston design (open flowdesign included) none have made much a difference at all. We are still working on the right design but haven't had close to the results we are looking for. We are also thinking the factory chrome plates the diameter of the piston for corrosion resistance and not wear resistance. If the front rusts a little scrap it off... If the diameter is rusty, well... Just to let you guys know in 2 week we will have a stainless piston for sale. It has a shallow (to minimize increase in chamber volume) dished ring. This slightly reduces gas loss. It is in no way to be considered a reliability increaser or a stay clean piston... It is a compliance part replacment with a slight improvement. Did anyone ever notice the operating rod (piston on a rifle) is flat on the saiga-12 and the rifles are concave. Anyways, this part is going to retail for $10. We are about 2 weeks from releasing a different piston that will change the story big time. No longer will people say that their isn't a piston that increases reliability. It even has a fancy pants finish on it. A diamond like finish that is close to has slick as teflon. But it has a temperature rating of 1600 degrees (forget the exact number). This piston will retail for $16. The finish is pretty expensive... Thanks for your reply! I am a big fan of your products and am excited to here about your up and coming parts. Like I said I love seeing new products for the saigas. +1 I'll for sure be getting one of those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 wow, thanks for the reply! i cant wait to see how it turns out, and to compare it with my piston. it'll be interesting to see how much it improves function. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agro 0 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Titanium Nitride or TiN is used on Motorcycle Front Forks, my bike has them but they are shiny/polished to a mirror-like finish to prevent stiction. It was a common problem for them to begin flaking off on the 01-02 GSX-R 1000's. I had 2 buddies get their forks replaced way back in the day under warranty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper 8 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 There are much better surfaces for helping to stay clean and the best of them still don't help much at all with the molten plastic. The best there is is a teflon coating but telfon is only good to 600 degrees, really it starts breaking down around 500. We have never raised our gas block temp even close to 500 even from our full auto. But the intermitent gases... We tested 3 different teflon finishes alone... We have tested many, many different coatings and no matter what the piston design (open flowdesign included) none have made much a difference at all. We are still working on the right design but haven't had close to the results we are looking for. We are also thinking the factory chrome plates the diameter of the piston for corrosion resistance and not wear resistance. If the front rusts a little scrap it off... If the diameter is rusty, well... Just to let you guys know in 2 week we will have a stainless piston for sale. It has a shallow (to minimize increase in chamber volume) dished ring. This slightly reduces gas loss. It is in no way to be considered a reliability increaser or a stay clean piston... It is a compliance part replacment with a slight improvement. Did anyone ever notice the operating rod (piston on a rifle) is flat on the saiga-12 and the rifles are concave. Anyways, this part is going to retail for $10. We are about 2 weeks from releasing a different piston that will change the story big time. No longer will people say that their isn't a piston that increases reliability. It even has a fancy pants finish on it. A diamond like finish that is close to has slick as teflon. But it has a temperature rating of 1600 degrees (forget the exact number). This piston will retail for $16. The finish is pretty expensive... i had a thought. even if the finish can take 1600 degrees, it doesn't matter when the material under it cant. so i have to ask: is the purpose of the high heat rated finish to simply make the piston perform better and be bothered less under lower heats? to keep it slicker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike1234567 26 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) ^^^ Softer materials are regularly coated with harder ones that can take higher heat. This usually only serves to improve durability of the product regarding wear but often also creates a surface with reduced friction and/or protects against corosion. It's a common manufacturing technique that most don't bother with because it adds to the cost of the final product. Only manufacturers with better offerings go to this much trouble and expense but, more importantly, go to the touble of proper R&D to determine if the coating actually has any "real" benefits. It sounds like MD has done its homework. What I'd like to know, though, is how does MD's new puck affect wear in the pipe. Mike... any research go into this. BTW, I'll buy some when they're available!! Edited February 17, 2011 by Mike1234567 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
docwade 3 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'd like that titanium nitride one but don't see the need yet. I'm still running stock ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikegraffam 11 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 no but i have to wonder: WHATS THE POINT?????? gas pucks dont really have issues with wear, so why would they make this? I use a TiN coated gas piston in both my M1A rifles. TiN coated are MUCH easier to clean and don't foul nearly at all. I've shot 1500 or so rounds without cleaning my SOCOM. The piston was still dropping free under gravity, and to clean it, all I had to do is tap it lightly and most of the fouling fell right off.. wipe it with a dry cloth and it is immaculate. By contrast, the stock piston would start to bind, slightly, after about 700 rounds and wouldn't drop under gravity without a slight shake to assist. In a rifle, changing out the gas piston can affect the accuracy (if the fit isn't PERFECT, you can get random gas blow-by that affects timing of the mechanism, and therefore accuracy). I doubt this affect would do much to a shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RJWesleyIII 7 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) I would like to try one, but cant justify 12 bucks shipping on a small 20.00 part. Edited March 4, 2011 by WESLEY 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 no but i have to wonder: WHATS THE POINT?????? gas pucks dont really have issues with wear, so why would they make this? its all about the $$$ with KVAR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I would like to try one, but cant justify 12 bucks shipping on a small 20.00 part. it'd probably be more worth it if you were ordering a whole conversion kit or a bunch of parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 no but i have to wonder: WHATS THE POINT?????? gas pucks dont really have issues with wear, so why would they make this? its all about the $$$ with KVAR And I don't understand selling parts that nobody can use: S12 ver 030 fsgb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mephis 82 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Just to let you guys know in 2 week we will have a stainless piston for sale. It has a shallow (to minimize increase in chamber volume) dished ring. This slightly reduces gas loss. It is in no way to be considered a reliability increaser or a stay clean piston... It is a compliance part replacment with a slight improvement. Did anyone ever notice the operating rod (piston on a rifle) is flat on the saiga-12 and the rifles are concave. Anyways, this part is going to retail for $10. We are about 2 weeks from releasing a different piston that will change the story big time. No longer will people say that their isn't a piston that increases reliability. It even has a fancy pants finish on it. A diamond like finish that is close to has slick as teflon. But it has a temperature rating of 1600 degrees (forget the exact number). This piston will retail for $16. The finish is pretty expensive... Expect an order from me as soon as it hits the website! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RJWesleyIII 7 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I would like to check out the new piston as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bolster 15 Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I would like to try one, but cant justify 12 bucks shipping on a small 20.00 part. I'm with you. Luckily for me, I had a list of other parts to pick up from K-VAR that made it slightly less painful to pay their shipping fees. I bought my S-12 from them, and shipping was only a few dollars more than the $12 it would cost for just the puck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RJWesleyIII 7 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Yah, I got mine from K-var also, but didnt know about this site, and all the goodies you could put on them! I just bought and asked questions later Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mephis 82 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 I would like to try one, but cant justify 12 bucks shipping on a small 20.00 part. I'm with you. Luckily for me, I had a list of other parts to pick up from K-VAR that made it slightly less painful to pay their shipping fees. I bought my S-12 from them, and shipping was only a few dollars more than the $12 it would cost for just the puck. This is why you help your buddies all the the same guns as yours, then group buy and split the shipping. That's why we all use glocks, now shipping costs for glock parts doesn't matter at all! If only I could interest them in a saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There are much better surfaces for helping to stay clean and the best of them still don't help much at all with the molten plastic. The best there is is a teflon coating but telfon is only good to 600 degrees, really it starts breaking down around 500. We have never raised our gas block temp even close to 500 even from our full auto. But the intermitent gases... We tested 3 different teflon finishes alone... We have tested many, many different coatings and no matter what the piston design (open flowdesign included) none have made much a difference at all. We are still working on the right design but haven't had close to the results we are looking for. We are also thinking the factory chrome plates the diameter of the piston for corrosion resistance and not wear resistance. If the front rusts a little scrap it off... If the diameter is rusty, well... Just to let you guys know in 2 week we will have a stainless piston for sale. It has a shallow (to minimize increase in chamber volume) dished ring. This slightly reduces gas loss. It is in no way to be considered a reliability increaser or a stay clean piston... It is a compliance part replacment with a slight improvement. Did anyone ever notice the operating rod (piston on a rifle) is flat on the saiga-12 and the rifles are concave. Anyways, this part is going to retail for $10. We are about 2 weeks from releasing a different piston that will change the story big time. No longer will people say that their isn't a piston that increases reliability. It even has a fancy pants finish on it. A diamond like finish that is close to has slick as teflon. But it has a temperature rating of 1600 degrees (forget the exact number). This piston will retail for $16. The finish is pretty expensive... Has anyone heard anything else about this new piston/puck? Has it been released and I just missed it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I am assuming that the MD Arms puck has not been released. Correct me if I am wrong. God bless Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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