TwentyNizzo 66 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 To each his own... But why would you want to remove a MAJOR feature of a saiga that has been next to IMPOSSIBLE to import up until now and will never again. Shit... that is like taking a cherry 1965 GT500 and throwing in a Prius drive train.... Not exactly, but you get my point. K-Var is importing those pic. rail gas blocks. Apparently they will soon be carrying all the parts necessary to do an 030 conversion. But, it still wont be cheaper than buying the imported shotgun. I would love to get one of these 200 that come in myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 does anyone know when these will coming in? i ordered one..now the sleepless nights begin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 does anyone know when these will coming in? i ordered one..now the sleepless nights begin. That's the million dollar question? I have sleepless nights myself over this, but I have a new in the box IZ-109BHO just in case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 does anyone know when these will coming in? i ordered one..now the sleepless nights begin. That's the million dollar question? I have sleepless nights myself over this, but I have a new in the box IZ-109BHO just in case. yeah Im all about the multiple saiga's too.. this one will be my 5th, but definitely the most badass. I hope they are here by summers end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalash1947 0 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Its just that Ive never been too partial of Picatinny rails on Russian gear. I fail to see how having or not having a rail on the upper receiver or gas block would effect the weapons over all performance. From where I sit, the KSK represents the top of the line of what a shotgun can do, and I dont feel its dependant on the rails to be able to do that. Like I said, its a personal choice from an aesthetic perspective. I doubt Id ever have anything mounted to either any way, so theyd not even see use with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) The rail is about authenticity. Just like the gas system. The whole 030 is about being a 030. Otherwise, we would all be going the Dinzag way. Personally, I have gone with Dinzag on one of my builds. It is very nice, but it will never compare to a straight from Russia 030. The rail gives the user many more options. I think a micro red dot will work quite nicely mounted on it. With the 030, there is no need to buy an aftermarket mount, because it is provided by factory. At the very least, you'll be knocking down the value. But as we all know, your money, your toy, your choice. Edited April 26, 2011 by lokmeup 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 I hope they are here by summers end. Me too. I wish there were more info available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Looking at the newer invoice numbers I'm suprised not too many of these have been spoken for yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Looking at the newer invoice numbers I'm suprised not too many of these have been spoken for yet. Once they're here I'll consider buying one. If they've only presold less than 100 so far, I doubt all will be sold by the time they're imported. My main issue is the fact that it can only take the stick mags, and OEM 8 round capacity is good for tactics, but just for plinking I like more rounds at my disposal. I also wonder how this self regulating gas system will react to a shorter barrel. It's a whole can of worms really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juiceh 7 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 How long does it usually take Brian to respond to emails or phone calls? I've tried both so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 How long does it usually take Brian to respond to emails or phone calls? I've tried both so far. he takes a minute sometimes....just keep trying. I finally got my invoice, sent my deposit..i hope they are here by the summer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KTMADV 1 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 How long does it usually take Brian to respond to emails or phone calls? I've tried both so far. It took me a week to get a response by email , then another week to get invoiced. He's busy , but don't worry there are over a 100 left and he will get to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) I'd probably order one of these if it didn't have the mag-well, (or if mag-well OEM 8-rnders weren't insanely expensive and hard to find). I've already invested in a few rock-n-lock Izzy 8's and those are expensive enough. The mag-well unacceptably limits the choice of viable mags, imo. I look forward to hearing news on this, though. I really hope these make it through the unconstitutional gauntlet, (ATF and Customs), they'll have to run, and that you guys actually receive what you're paying for. ETA: Just did a quick search for OEM mag-well 8-rnders for sale.. saw a recent GB ad, looks like TX-Zen sold one of his. The buyer got a "deal" and only paid $160. Yeah, to each his own, but speaking for myself, fuck that. Edited April 28, 2011 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 K-Var is importing those pic. rail gas blocks. Apparently they will soon be carrying all the parts necessary to do an 030 conversion. But, it still wont be cheaper than buying the imported shotgun... Maybe not, but it might prove to be a helluva lot easier and/or faster. We'll see if even these 200 actually make it through to those who've ordered them. Also, if K-VAR will carry the parts, I'll be able to have something like an 030 built, but without the undesirable mag-well. Hmmm.. need to keep an eye on their site and do a lil research... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Looking at the newer invoice numbers I'm suprised not too many of these have been spoken for yet. Once they're here I'll consider buying one. If they've only presold less than 100 so far, I doubt all will be sold by the time they're imported. My main issue is the fact that it can only take the stick mags, and OEM 8 round capacity is good for tactics, but just for plinking I like more rounds at my disposal. I also wonder how this self regulating gas system will react to a shorter barrel. It's a whole can of worms really. It's just a matter of time till these problems are resolved. I'm sure the drums on the market can be modified by someone talented. I'm going to try to do one myself. And if you want to cut down the barrel, it'll most likely need the ports opened up because of pressure loss. I don't know on that one for sure. I'll never cut the barrel down on mine. Edited April 28, 2011 by ARMOR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) ^ Yeah, buy an AA drum to run on your new "030". The set-up in that pic just screams reliability and maneuverability. These are still a pipe-dream anyway. You're depending on the ATF to stick to their word.. and there's a damn good chance that they won't. They're the worst rogue agency in the whole damn fed gubmint, (although the EPA is giving them a run for their money these days). GL, guys. Hope ya don't end up getting burned on this. Edited April 28, 2011 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Looking at the newer invoice numbers I'm suprised not too many of these have been spoken for yet. Once they're here I'll consider buying one. If they've only presold less than 100 so far, I doubt all will be sold by the time they're imported. My main issue is the fact that it can only take the stick mags, and OEM 8 round capacity is good for tactics, but just for plinking I like more rounds at my disposal. I also wonder how this self regulating gas system will react to a shorter barrel. It's a whole can of worms really. It's just a matter of time till these problems are resolved. I'm sure the drums on the market can be modified by someone talented. I'm going to try to do one myself. And if you want to cut down the barrel, it'll most likely need the ports opened up because of pressure loss. I don't know on that one for sure. I'll never cut the barrel down on mine. Thats just a picture. By that I mean that someone just shoved that into the magwell for a pic. Lame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 ^ Yeah, buy an AA drum to run on your new "030". The set-up in that pic just screams reliability and maneuverability. These are still a pipe-dream anyway. You're depending on the ATF to stick to their word.. and there's a damn good chance that they won't. They're the worst rogue agency in the whole damn fed gubmint, (although the EPA is giving them a run for their money these days). GL, guys. Hope ya don't end up getting burned on this. I learned a long time ago not to count on anyone including big brother. Learned that in the Army. If my Saiga VER 030 makes it into the country, Great! If not, Brian will give me my deposit back and I already have a S12 IZ-109BHO. As far as the drum, I doubt I'd use a AA drum. I was thinking of using a MD drum and platic welding a mag to it for a tower and making a couple of more followers for it. One of my best friends is Dave S., inventer of the A and D tower for 165 round .22 conversions for HK's, AR's and others. I'm sure he'll took me up with the followers I may need. As far as reliability and manuverability, it just a toy for me. As far as the government. I believe the government should be like a babys diaper. Changed reguraly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 that's not an AA drum, it's a maxrounds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Looking at the newer invoice numbers I'm suprised not too many of these have been spoken for yet. Once they're here I'll consider buying one. If they've only presold less than 100 so far, I doubt all will be sold by the time they're imported. My main issue is the fact that it can only take the stick mags, and OEM 8 round capacity is good for tactics, but just for plinking I like more rounds at my disposal. I also wonder how this self regulating gas system will react to a shorter barrel. It's a whole can of worms really. It's just a matter of time till these problems are resolved. I'm sure the drums on the market can be modified by someone talented. I'm going to try to do one myself. And if you want to cut down the barrel, it'll most likely need the ports opened up because of pressure loss. I don't know on that one for sure. I'll never cut the barrel down on mine. Thats just a picture. By that I mean that someone just shoved that into the magwell for a pic. Lame. Maybe? But I don't know for sure? I found it in a thread from this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 that's not an AA drum, it's a maxrounds It's the same terrible open-sided design, therefore it's probably prone to the same kind of reliability problems that AA drums are infamous for, (in guns without mag-wells), and I can only imagine that further complicating it by making it work with a mag-well will worsen the already shitty performance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) ^ Yeah, buy an AA drum to run on your new "030". The set-up in that pic just screams reliability and maneuverability. These are still a pipe-dream anyway. You're depending on the ATF to stick to their word.. and there's a damn good chance that they won't. They're the worst rogue agency in the whole damn fed gubmint, (although the EPA is giving them a run for their money these days). GL, guys. Hope ya don't end up getting burned on this. I learned a long time ago not to count on anyone including big brother. Learned that in the Army. If my Saiga VER 030 makes it into the country, Great! If not, Brian will give me my deposit back and I already have a S12 IZ-109BHO. As far as the drum, I doubt I'd use a AA drum. I was thinking of using a MD drum and platic welding a mag to it for a tower and making a couple of more followers for it. One of my best friends is Dave S., inventer of the A and D tower for 165 round .22 conversions for HK's, AR's and others. I'm sure he'll took me up with the followers I may need. As far as reliability and manuverability, it just a toy for me. As far as the government. I believe the government should be like a babys diaper. Changed reguraly. I'd be more worried about the guns being shipped.. then getting stuck in "Customs limbo" possibly forever... at least until the ATF decides to destroy that evil shipment "for the public good". In that circumstance, Brian couldn't exactly refund you your deposit, (Russkies have already been paid), and you'd end up having flushed ~$750 down the toilet. As I said, I hope it works out for everyone involved, but relying on the ATF to ever do right by the Constitution is a dangerous proposition at best. And yeah, assuming you get it and can find a way to make a MD20 work with it, I'll be the first to congratulate you on one hell of a cool range toy. Edited April 29, 2011 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 ^ Yeah, buy an AA drum to run on your new "030". The set-up in that pic just screams reliability and maneuverability. These are still a pipe-dream anyway. You're depending on the ATF to stick to their word.. and there's a damn good chance that they won't. They're the worst rogue agency in the whole damn fed gubmint, (although the EPA is giving them a run for their money these days). GL, guys. Hope ya don't end up getting burned on this. I learned a long time ago not to count on anyone including big brother. Learned that in the Army. If my Saiga VER 030 makes it into the country, Great! If not, Brian will give me my deposit back and I already have a S12 IZ-109BHO. As far as the drum, I doubt I'd use a AA drum. I was thinking of using a MD drum and platic welding a mag to it for a tower and making a couple of more followers for it. One of my best friends is Dave S., inventer of the A and D tower for 165 round .22 conversions for HK's, AR's and others. I'm sure he'll took me up with the followers I may need. As far as reliability and manuverability, it just a toy for me. As far as the government. I believe the government should be like a babys diaper. Changed reguraly. I'd be more worried about the guns being shipped.. then getting stuck in "Customs limbo" possibly forever... at least until the ATF decides to destroy that evil shipment "for the public good". In that circumstance, Brian couldn't exactly refund you your deposit, (Russkies have already been paid), and you'd end up having flushed ~$750 down the toilet. As I said, I hope it works out for everyone involved, but relying on the ATF to ever do right by the Constitution is a dangerous proposition at best. And yeah, assuming you get it and can find a way to make a MD20 work with it, I'll be the first to congratulate you on one hell of a cool range toy. I thought about the payment issue before sending money. That's why I paid in a USPS M.O. for my deposit. I'm hoping for the best, and I know of about 90 others that feel the same as me. As far as the drum goes, I'd like to give it a try. If the shotgun makes it here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juiceh 7 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) How long does it usually take Brian to respond to emails or phone calls? I've tried both so far. he takes a minute sometimes....just keep trying. I finally got my invoice, sent my deposit..i hope they are here by the summer. So, keep calling and emailing leaving messages? I don't really wanna be that guy. But I do want this S12! I'll wait a few more days and see what happens. Edited April 29, 2011 by Juice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 How long does it usually take Brian to respond to emails or phone calls? I've tried both so far. he takes a minute sometimes....just keep trying. I finally got my invoice, sent my deposit..i hope they are here by the summer. So, keep calling and emailing leaving messages? I don't really wanna be that guy. But I do want this S12! I'll wait a few more days and see what happens. Sorry, but I was that guy till I got my order in. I had no idea how many spots he had left and I wanted one. Lol! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 looks like he's getting another s12 too.. the s12 ver 040 4-3..anyone know what the hell that is? Ive tried google images and nothing has popped up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 looks like he's getting another s12 too.. the s12 ver 040 4-3..anyone know what the hell that is? Ive tried google images and nothing has popped up. Looks like the same thing as the 030 with a sporting forend. Their site has all the many variations of the S12: http://www.izhmash-arms.ru/eim/imp/26.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koljec 37 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) looks like he's getting another s12 too.. the s12 ver 040 4-3..anyone know what the hell that is? Ive tried google images and nothing has popped up. Legion guns usa used to have a pic of it. their site has undergone changes though. I think it was the 030 shown on red dragun with wood upper and lower handguards and wood montecarlo stock. I know there's an 040 on the izhmash website, but I'm pretty sure that one did not match the image red dragon originally posted. maybe that graphic was just a placeholder, though. Edited May 2, 2011 by Koljec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 looks like he's getting another s12 too.. the s12 ver 040 4-3..anyone know what the hell that is? Ive tried google images and nothing has popped up. Looks like the same thing as the 030 with a sporting forend. Their site has all the many variations of the S12: http://www.izhmash-a...eim/imp/26.html nice..thanks..i cant wait till my ver 030 gets in...IF it gets in I should say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ItsAllCreated 59 Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 I sent the guy an email today asking about the ordering process If the guy is busy and its going to take awhile for a response ...any of you that have already ordered care to help me out? How much $$$? Pay in full before it arrives? Pay half now, & pay half later? I'm very interested & I'd like to know how I might make it a reality if I choose to take the plunge Thanks guys! ~Stephen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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