howard 1 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 So I'm at the sporting goods section buying some Federal bulk pack 12 guage for my saiga The man working behind the gun counter tells me about how some items are always out of stock. He told me how he thought everyone was buying gun related stuff because they were afraid of new legal restrictions. I thought I had someone who sympathized with my gun views. After a long discussion we got to H.R. 308 (the high cap mag ban). Surprisingly, although he did not approve of our current president he was very much in favor of the mag ban because "only criminals need a magazine that big". This set me on fire. I politly as I could, explained how murders are already illegal, and how someone could kill with a 10 round magazine just as easily as a high cap. I finally got fed up, and he began to follow me through the aisles as I left, trying to continue the arguement. I just find it infuriating how people can be so illogical sometimes. Anyway, I don't think H.R. 308 will pass, but I'm upset that someone would even entertain the idea. Anyone else have any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redsoldier 7 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 P.T. Barnumis alive and well.... there's a sucker born every minute, he he obviously was already in line! Continue about your day and forget that rube!~ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Don't argue with idiots, it will make you stupid. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 There are a lot of shooters that don't feel that these little bans infringe upon their rights until their rights are finally so eroded that they no longer have them. If someone believes that guns kill people, you will not be able to win an argument with them based on logic or reason. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 If someone believes that guns kill people, you will not be able to win an argument with them based on logic or reason. Consulting UN-PC translator............... You can't fix stupid 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 people just love to scapegoat things its not the crazed lunatics fault he shot up all those people, its his high capacity mags fault... makes complete sense doesnt it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILLIEVEE 15 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Buy your mags, buy your ammo, buy your guns. Alot of people want your money, but buy them now or when you can and leave other peoples views in the rear view mirror. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1mile50 102 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 For the next hallway discussion; You don't need... can be followed by any of our cherished rights. They are not needs, they are Rights. People around the world live their whole lives, day in day out, without our Freedoms. We don't run this country according to need. That is the goal of Communism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his NEEDS." - Karl Marx. We also don't run this country according to personnel likes and dislikes. Especially those of Wal-Mart hacks. When they start saying, "Well this isn't the Wild West", you can be sure that they have just lost. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 So I'm at the sporting goods section buying some Federal bulk pack 12 guage for my saiga The man working behind the gun counter tells me about how some items are always out of stock. He told me how he thought everyone was buying gun related stuff because they were afraid of new legal restrictions. I thought I had someone who sympathized with my gun views. After a long discussion we got to H.R. 308 (the high cap mag ban). Surprisingly, although he did not approve of our current president he was very much in favor of the mag ban because "only criminals need a magazine that big". This set me on fire. I politly as I could, explained how murders are already illegal, and how someone could kill with a 10 round magazine just as easily as a high cap. I finally got fed up, and he began to follow me through the aisles as I left, trying to continue the arguement. I just find it infuriating how people can be so illogical sometimes. Anyway, I don't think H.R. 308 will pass, but I'm upset that someone would even entertain the idea. Anyone else have any thoughts? He probably rides to work on the short bus. I wouldn't let idiots like this bother me but I would turn around and put a stiff finger in his chest if he started following me around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDriver 23 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 You were expecting an intelligent conversation from someone who worked at Wal-Mart? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILLIEVEE 15 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 You were expecting an intelligent conversation from someone who worked at Wal-Mart? You have to love that! I can't count the times I've heard I'am going to retire and going to work for Wal-Mart. Alzhelmer's!! Where do I get my ticket to stand in line? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILLIEVEE 15 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 So I'm at the sporting goods section buying some Federal bulk pack 12 guage for my saiga The man working behind the gun counter tells me about how some items are always out of stock. He told me how he thought everyone was buying gun related stuff because they were afraid of new legal restrictions. I thought I had someone who sympathized with my gun views. After a long discussion we got to H.R. 308 (the high cap mag ban). Surprisingly, although he did not approve of our current president he was very much in favor of the mag ban because "only criminals need a magazine that big". This set me on fire. I politly as I could, explained how murders are already illegal, and how someone could kill with a 10 round magazine just as easily as a high cap. I finally got fed up, and he began to follow me through the aisles as I left, trying to continue the arguement. I just find it infuriating how people can be so illogical sometimes. Anyway, I don't think H.R. 308 will pass, but I'm upset that someone would even entertain the idea. Anyone else have any thoughts? He probably rides to work on the short bus. I wouldn't let idiots like this bother me but I would turn around and put a stiff finger in his chest if he started following me around. Cowboy, I'am with you!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SirROFL 13 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Cho did it with 10-rounders, so can you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuzzNectar 35 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 You were expecting an intelligent conversation from someone who worked at Wal-Mart? You have to love that! I can't count the times I've heard I'am going to retire and going to work for Wal-Mart. Alzhelmer's!! Where do I get my ticket to stand in line? Why are you bashing on people who make an honest living at Walmart anyone making on honest living i have no beef with them. You could get that same argument from the "educated" liberal elite. You going to talk bad about the garbage man too, see what happens if he goes on strike. Personally i shop smart at S Mart. AAAAHHHHH...."shop smart,shop S mart,ya got that" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 If they get banned what happens to all the high capacity mags? Do they expect us to turn them in or throw them away? Whats next...you can keep your guns but you must remove the auto loading feature on any semi automatics? Screw my stocks and bonds im just going to be investing in firearms and parts they seem to only go up in price and become more rare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 You were expecting an intelligent conversation from someone who worked at Wal-Mart? You have to love that! I can't count the times I've heard I'am going to retire and going to work for Wal-Mart. Alzhelmer's!! Where do I get my ticket to stand in line? Why are you bashing on people who make an honest living at Walmart anyone making on honest living i have no beef with them. You could get that same argument from the "educated" liberal elite. You going to talk bad about the garbage man too, see what happens if he goes on strike. Personally i shop smart at S Mart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dobravery 49 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Yes high cap mag murders make big headlines, but I don't think I ever hear about 20-30 casings lying around in your average local murder. I would say most shootings I hear about involve less than 5 shots. Anyone with better insight on this? BTW, no high capacity pistol mags equals NO high-cap mags for AR's, AK's, 9mm carbines, HK's. Edited March 24, 2011 by dobravery Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I can't say for sure about rounds fired, but when I did a research paper on the effects of the 1994 AWB, I did learn the proportion of multi-victim homicides increased between 1994 and 2003. Of course, this was something like going from 3% to 4% and that the vast majority of multi-victim homicide scene were double homicides, but at the very least it went toward demonstrating the availability of standard capacity magazines was unrelated to the kinds of high-profile carnage they're promised to facilitate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... very true, its the people who make the laws. the police are just doing their jobs when they enforce them also, id just like to say that the police should have access to the very best firepower because they have to deal with the very worst of society Edited March 25, 2011 by Cali_Armz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... No, they don't have the final say on gun and magazine laws but regarding magazines they do a hell of a lot of lobbying for limiting citizen access to high cap magazines while always making a case for why they need to keep theirs. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... very true, its the people who make the laws. the police are just doing their jobs when they enforce them also, id just like to say that the police should have access to the very best firepower because they have to deal with the very worst of society The people that the police deal with are the EXACT same criminals who are out there victimizing society. Police have to deal with them more often, but the people are one and the same. I agree that the police should have the very best firepower, and so should every other law abiding citizen who has to deal with these same people, which usually precedes when the police have to deal with them. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... very true, its the people who make the laws. the police are just doing their jobs when they enforce them also, id just like to say that the police should have access to the very best firepower because they have to deal with the very worst of society The people that the police deal with are the EXACT same criminals who are out there victimizing society. Police have to deal with them more often, but the people are one and the same. I agree that the police should have the very best firepower, and so should every other law abiding citizen who has to deal with these same people, which usually precedes when the police have to deal with them. i totally agree man, law abiding citizens should be allowed to own exotic weapons. i think its absurd when people look down on civilians owning high capacity mags, or god forbid, an assault weapon without a bullet button on it. these things are cool, and besides, home invasions have been known to happen. its unfair to impose limitations on us when it could potentially be our lives on the line 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDriver 23 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I'm surprised an employee would do that. That's a good way to get reprimanded or fired; arguing about political topics with customers. Also, note that all these "high-cap" mag bans exempt law enforcement - if they are for "hunting people" (as some jackass put it), why do cops need 10+ rounds? For the same reasons that anyone does. Keep in mind when disparaging the police, they do not make laws... very true, its the people who make the laws. the police are just doing their jobs when they enforce them also, id just like to say that the police should have access to the very best firepower because they have to deal with the very worst of society The people that the police deal with are the EXACT same criminals who are out there victimizing society. Police have to deal with them more often, but the people are one and the same. I agree that the police should have the very best firepower, and so should every other law abiding citizen who has to deal with these same people, which usually precedes when the police have to deal with them. This. If a cop should have access to a 17 (or 33) round Glock mag to deal with a PCP'd out criminal(s), so should I. Are my odds of confronting one longer? Yes, of course. That does not mean I shouldn't have access to the tools I need to protect myself and my family. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think the overwhelming consensus on this forum is that a magazine ban is not necessary, nor will it be effective at reducing any crime. Infighting about Police or Wal Mart employees makes us look like the guy arguing that 10 rounds for hunting is too many. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmzzl 146 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 You'll see who dies first in the zombie apocalypse, when he's reloading 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kliegl 304 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 At least you rolled the eyes, so it's in jest. I hate it when it's like "legit discussion....legit discussion.....zombies." and people are like "........wtf." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 North Hollywood bank robbers would have looked silly with a ten round cap., all bundled up like they were. Police didn't have the means to engage them, at the time. They learned there lesson. I think that was the tipping point for police. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Lee Harvey Oswald did it with a bolt action. All it takes is a lunatic with motivation, and oppertunity. He'll devise a weapon. While we're baning things that kill people maybe we should ground all the jets again, and force everyone to wear boxing gloves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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