Marrok857 51 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Like the name of the thread, I GOTS ME A MOSIN!!!! Its a 1943, made by Izhevsk. The pic here is from yesterday after I bought it. Paid $127 and a few change out the door, got the bayo sling and ammo pouch with it and was kinda pissed to see no bolt tool, but Iam going to order that from Cheaper than dirt. Here she is!!! I cleaned her up today, my first experience with Cosmoline. Wasnt too bad I think, the stock still has a shit ton of cosmo in it, but thats going to have to wait till it gets good and warm out. I used a hand steamer and good ole boiling water to clean the barrel, bolt and magazine. Then oiled the crap out of it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Counter-bored? Did you take the bolt apart and check for some sneaky cosmo in there? If not I would wait until you get the tool for the firing pin...What no oiler either? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Nice! Purple power, simple green, and regular transmission fluid cleans cosmoline really good. Works good on metal. Never tried on wood but I wouldn't recomend it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Counter-bored? Did you take the bolt apart and check for some sneaky cosmo in there? If not I would wait until you get the tool for the firing pin...What no oiler either? Not counter bored. Without the bolt tool i cant take it completely apart, but I boiled the bolt and a lot came out. And no Oiler either!!!! Arik-- I also used some dawn dish soap in the water, ate it off nicely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 No need for the tool for disassembly, but you do need it or something else to measure the firing pin when you put it back together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) No need for the tool for disassembly, but you do need it or something else to measure the firing pin when you put it back together. kewl. What size bore brush works in these? the one brush i have didnt feel like it was big enough, but still got alot of gunk out. Edited April 1, 2011 by Marrok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Congrats on your Mosin! I miss my 91/30.. Never should've sold her... .30 cal. bore brushes work well, and they're pretty easy to find. I'd reccomend a .45 for the chamber, though. I'm sure you're already aware, but beefcake's post reminded me- be sure to get that firing pin tension set correctly. Over-tightened mine the first time and didn't know it until I'd fired the first shot and the bolt absolutely refused to open. Any factory stamps on the stock? Good luck with the new toy, and enjoy the cosmoline! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Congrats on your Mosin! I miss my 91/30.. Never should've sold her... .30 cal. bore brushes work well, and they're pretty easy to find. I'd reccomend a .45 for the chamber, though. I'm sure you're already aware, but beefcake's post reminded me- be sure to get that firing pin tension set correctly. Over-tightened mine the first time and didn't know it until I'd fired the first shot and the bolt absolutely refused to open. Any factory stamps on the stock? Good luck with the new toy, and enjoy the cosmoline! 30 cal for barrel, 45 for chamber gotcha. I dont know if the tension is set right, dont know how to tell. the stock.....there is a backwards R next to the crossbolt, an O in a diamond, a P by the buttplate, 2 weird lookin 6 in circles, and what looks like a line in an O. I cleaned out all the cosmo from the receiver/barrel and bolt, the stock I just wiped with a sponge and hot water . EDIT-- And welcome to the forum! Edited April 2, 2011 by Marrok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I am pretty sure he meant the protrusion instead of tension... It is supposed to protrude between .075 and .095 of an inch. Basically the score on the back of the bolt should line up with the firing pin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casp 119 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) the stock.....there is a backwards R next to the crossbolt, an O in a diamond, a P by the buttplate, 2 weird lookin 6 in circles, and what looks like a line in an O. Not that this actually helps you any, but some clarification on the Russian Cyrillic alphabet: Я = Ya Р = R б = b (lower case; upper case looks like Б) Ф = F Edited April 3, 2011 by Caspian Sea Monster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I am pretty sure he meant the protrusion instead of tension... It is supposed to protrude between .075 and .095 of an inch. Basically the score on the back of the bolt should line up with the firing pin. Indeed, Sir! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 my firing pin screw seems to turn a little after i drop the bolt to fire position. anyone know why that is? it doesnt turn anymore after the initial one, and it doesnt measure more than it did before it turned Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 The channel and the pin can only fit one certain way based on the shape, It might be that the channel is turning the pin to the proper space when it turns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7N6Wolf 61 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Counter-bored? Did you take the bolt apart and check for some sneaky cosmo in there? If not I would wait until you get the tool for the firing pin...What no oiler either? Not counter bored. Without the bolt tool i cant take it completely apart, but I boiled the bolt and a lot came out. And no Oiler either!!!! Arik-- I also used some dawn dish soap in the water, ate it off nicely. When it came to cosmoline removal, I never bothered disassembling the bolts of any of my SKS's and Mosin-Nagants. I just sprayed a fair deal of Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber down the firing pin hole and it removed the stuff to my satisfaction. To date, I have not had a single slamfire or any other issue with any of these rifles. Come to think of it, the only time I disassembled a bolt was when I replaced the firing pin spring on my Czech Vz. 24 Mauser so it would set off the primers of that 1950's Yugoslavian 7.92X57mm ammo. My M91/30 was also made in Izhevsk in 1943. It is good to know that your handguard is not being problematic like mine was (I had to shim it to prevent it from sliding forward while firing the gun). Edited April 6, 2011 by 7N6Wolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 Counter-bored? Did you take the bolt apart and check for some sneaky cosmo in there? If not I would wait until you get the tool for the firing pin...What no oiler either? Not counter bored. Without the bolt tool i cant take it completely apart, but I boiled the bolt and a lot came out. And no Oiler either!!!! Arik-- I also used some dawn dish soap in the water, ate it off nicely. When it came to cosmoline removal, I never bothered disassembling the bolts of any of my SKS's and Mosin-Nagants. I just sprayed a fair deal of Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber down the firing pin hole and it removed the stuff to my satisfaction. To date, I have not had a single slamfire or any other issue with any of these rifles. Come to think of it, the only time I disassembled a bolt was when I replaced the firing pin spring on my Czech Vz. 24 Mauser so it would set off the primers of that 1950's Yugoslavian 7.92X57mm ammo. My M91/30 was also made in Izhevsk in 1943. It is good to know that your handguard is not being problematic like mine was (I had to shim it to prevent it from sliding forward while firing the gun). Some people like to be thorough though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) I had an idea with the stock, ran with it and ended up with something I think is pretty cool. I let the stock sit in the sun for a few hours till no more cosmo came out. Then grabbed the stock and some murphys oil soap (a 2:1 ratio soap to water) and went to town with a washcloth. It cleaned up very nicely, a lot of the old dirt and grease came off. But some of the finish came off!! It now looks as tho it has been worn down a bit, like it was handled roughly in a war time (like I wish it was). Heres what some parts look like, the pics dont do it justice, it looks WAY better in person 1 2 let me know what ya think. Edited April 14, 2011 by Marrok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Looks like a Nagant, alright! I'd say it looks pretty good! Good idea letting it sit in the sun, too. I tried the old bathtub method with one of my M44's. Let it soak in steaming hot water, continuously filling the tub for about 4 hours. While it soaked, I was able to scrape off/out nearly all the cosmoline and most of the polyurethane. Upside: the wood swells and the grain really pops out. Downside: any cracks, no matter how small, become problematic. The stock came out great, but there was a little baby fracture in the HG. Coincidentally, know where I can find a spare M44 HG? Obviously, you're going for the nostalgic look though, so I wouldn't recommend my plan... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) Looks like a Nagant, alright! I'd say it looks pretty good! Good idea letting it sit in the sun, too. I tried the old bathtub method with one of my M44's. Let it soak in steaming hot water, continuously filling the tub for about 4 hours. While it soaked, I was able to scrape off/out nearly all the cosmoline and most of the polyurethane. Upside: the wood swells and the grain really pops out. Downside: any cracks, no matter how small, become problematic. The stock came out great, but there was a little baby fracture in the HG. Coincidentally, know where I can find a spare M44 HG? Obviously, you're going for the nostalgic look though, so I wouldn't recommend my plan... The sun method worked perfectly. I cracked my handguard by accidently steppin on it. but its not totally broken. Oh and where to find M44 hand guards? Here ya go they look to be in eh condition and for $25. Edited April 20, 2011 by Marrok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 I cracked my handguard by accidently steppin on it. but its not totally broken. Oh and where to find M44 hand guards? Dude, Idk what it is about handguards, but I swear they're cursed.. Thanks a ton! Couldn't find one locally to save my life... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 I cracked my handguard by accidently steppin on it. but its not totally broken. Oh and where to find M44 hand guards? Dude, Idk what it is about handguards, but I swear they're cursed.. Thanks a ton! Couldn't find one locally to save my life... The trick is not to step on them! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaba1017 71 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 No need for the tool for disassembly, but you do need it or something else to measure the firing pin when you put it back together. kewl. What size bore brush works in these? the one brush i have didnt feel like it was big enough, but still got alot of gunk out. Same size as for the AK, .30 cal. Both fire a 7.62 bullet. Some Mosin bores will be tighter than others. Tighter is better. Strip it apart and hang the metal parts up from a rafter and hit them with a heat gun. The cosmo will drip on out. The cosmo doesn't ever completely come out of the wood, it will continue to boil out when the gun gets hot when shooting. But it gives the heat shield a pretty cool amber glow. Buff the bolt up with steel wool and a drimmel polishing pad and get the receiver clean and you won't have any sticky bolt issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 Thanks on the info Jaba. Well i know i shouldnt have but oh well. I took some sandpaper delicately to the stock, and used a light cherry stain on the wood. its lighter than it was which is what I wanted. Here she is. the photo is lighter than it really is. new camera fone, so i dont know the settings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 this picture is better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaba1017 71 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 You might want to hit it with some TruOil to pop the grain a little more. It has a descent looking stock. I can't see the post war stock finger grooves at the rear retaining band. Is it a pre-war stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 the finger grooves are there, if your talking about the grooves where the cross-bolt is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jaba1017 71 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 The finger grooves in front of those grooves. Here is the stock reference which shows the differences between pre-war, war, and post-war stocks. My link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 The finger grooves in front of those grooves. Here is the stock reference which shows the differences between pre-war, war, and post-war stocks. My link the 2 notches just before the barrel band by the rear sight? Yup has those Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 The trick is not to step on them! +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
v8rx7guy 9 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Im buying one of these at the gun show this weekend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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