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If the S-12 was declared declared a DD would you NFA it?


If declared declared a DD would you NFA it?   

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  1. 1. If your S-12 were declared a DD would you NFA it?

    • Yes, i would go through the NFA paperwork to have my S-12
    • Yes, i would go through the NFA paperwork to have my S-12... but only if the $200 tax stamp was waived.
    • Yes, and since its now a DD, might as well make it a SBS
    • No, I would sell it because my state doesn't allow DD's
    • No, I would sell it because I don't want to deal with the hassels of the NFA
    • Willing to support a class action lawsuit against the ATF or other legal means to attempt going to the Supreme Court and having the sporting clause overruled
    • "Mr ATF I sold my saiga, these are not the guns you are looking for" aka buired/safehoused


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Let's remember how both of those incidents started.   Waco: Occurs when the BATF decides to raid an apocalyptic cult based on very questionab;e evidence, even after it had been told that the cult ha

whoever the one guy who voted "No, I would sell it because I don't want to deal with the hassels of the NFA " doesnt deserve a S12

Thats cool....Your the one who is going to get your front door smashed in and your whole safe plundered when the gov goes completely socialist and burns the bill of rights. Your also the one who is go

Yeah, if they had just put the FBI in change of the Waco siege then clearly their professionalism would have carried the day. Oh never mind...

 

Well, at least we can all agree the FBI negotiation strategy laid out in the operations plan at Ruby Ridge was a masterpiece. ...

 

Let's remember how both of those incidents started.

 

Waco: Occurs when the BATF decides to raid an apocalyptic cult based on very questionab;e evidence, even after it had been told that the cult had learned that the raid was about to be sprung and was prepared to fight. All for the purpose of showing for the cameras that the BATF was a real live police force, and deserved the funding that would be associated with one.

 

Ruby Ridge: Occurs when the BATF decides to entrap a law-abiding (if politically extreme) citizen into cutting a shotgun barrel 1" less than allowable by law, in order to force him into becoming an informant against another politically extreme (but apparently law-abiding) group. The citizen refuses to cooperate, and is thus persecuted by the BATF to the point that a federal marshal is killed.

 

Both of these situations turned into a shitstorm when fed agents were killed in the ensuing confrontation. After the killing of fed agents, yes, the FBI became involved and acted stupidly, ham-handedly and illegally (mostly under the piss-poor guidance of Louis Freeh). But only AFTER the BATF, with it's incompetent agents and power-grasping supervision, had sparked the whole thing off to begin with. Had this just been the FBI, none of this crap would have happened, because the FBI has other things to worry about than people who are not actually comitting crimes.

 

The BATF is the lowest of the low in terms of Federal policing. The agents who complete their training but who cannot measure up to SS, FBI or Federal Marshal standard go to the BATF. If the BATF were what it was supposed to be, a revenue-collecting agency, that would be fine. But they like to imagine themselves a fed police force, and as such engage in half-assed efforts to bring publicity on themselves as a three-letter cop agency (which is why I refuse to refer to them as "ATF"), even at the cost of the lives of other people, such as in Waco, Ruby Ridge, and now with countless Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol Agent in Project Gunrunner.

 

No sir. If my life and freedom are at stake, I'll take the (usually sound) judgement of the FBI over the continual and predictable bungling of BATF incompetents any day.

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I seriously doubt the BATF are the criminals here.

 

Like most cases, they're governed by politicians and suits over them.

 

Want to actually eliminate something, eliminate the government's ability to enforce illegitimate laws against you, criminalizing you for nothing.

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And I will repeat myself yet again, I wasn't talking about your state, I was talking about NATIONAL REGISTRATION OF WHICH THERE ISN'T ONE. Geez, you Jersey Shore guys sure can't seem to understand anything...

 

Got that there "Mr.Situation"??? :lolol: :lolol:

 

As far as being a dick, I resemble that remark, but look on the bright side, all I had to do was fill out a 4473 for just a few of my weapons, no "registration" here. :haha: :haha: :haha:

 

You know that I'm just fucking with you right? :lolol:

 

 

I got ya bud,but please dont ever mention jersey shore again!!! I cant stand those jimbronys :lolol:

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S12? Hmmm... I would never violate a law. Do I have an S12 at the time? Do I now?

 

Would you like to wear this little star on your lapel? It signifies you are a certain religion... not that it is illegal, or that anything will happen to you, your family, or your property, we just want a registry of who you are. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? We don't plan on doing anything with the lists we make, we just like lists. We will also be able to search your home at any time once you agree to this, but that will probably never happen. You don't have anything to hide, do you?

 

Golly, I don't see a problem here. :unsure:

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S12? Hmmm... I would never violate a law. Do I have an S12 at the time? Do I now?

 

Would you like to wear this little star on your lapel? It signifies you are a certain religion... not that it is illegal, or that anything will happen to you, your family, or your property, we just want a registry of who you are. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? We don't plan on doing anything with the lists we make, we just like lists. We will also be able to search your home at any time once you agree to this, but that will probably never happen. You don't have anything to hide, do you?

 

Golly, I don't see a problem here. :unsure:

 

You DO know that NFA registration has been around for over 50 years right????

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S12? Hmmm... I would never violate a law. Do I have an S12 at the time? Do I now?

 

Would you like to wear this little star on your lapel? It signifies you are a certain religion... not that it is illegal, or that anything will happen to you, your family, or your property, we just want a registry of who you are. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? We don't plan on doing anything with the lists we make, we just like lists. We will also be able to search your home at any time once you agree to this, but that will probably never happen. You don't have anything to hide, do you?

 

Golly, I don't see a problem here. :unsure:

 

You DO know that NFA registration has been around for over 50 years right????

50 years of unconstitutional bullshit!!

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S12? Hmmm... I would never violate a law. Do I have an S12 at the time? Do I now?

 

Would you like to wear this little star on your lapel? It signifies you are a certain religion... not that it is illegal, or that anything will happen to you, your family, or your property, we just want a registry of who you are. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? We don't plan on doing anything with the lists we make, we just like lists. We will also be able to search your home at any time once you agree to this, but that will probably never happen. You don't have anything to hide, do you?

 

Golly, I don't see a problem here. :unsure:

 

You DO know that NFA registration has been around for over 50 years right????

50 years of unconstitutional bullshit!!

 

True, but they have yet to try to go door-to-door to take up all of the guns...

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They may one day kick down my door... but I won't open it and invite them in for tea. And just because they haven't loaded up a cattle car yet, it doesn't make it right for them to start building the lists, or anyone smart for signing their name. Call me old fashioned.

 

Yeah.. this list idea seems a bit suspicious- but maybe it's to deter people from voicing their opinion. Surely not everyone who is against it being banned has one, hence the list can't be entirely accurate. Dunno, it's what detered me from doing anything, I don't want to be on the ATFs gun enthusiast list regardless of whether or not I own an S-12.

 

Anyway, the ATF doesn't care about your rights- maybe your representatives do.. But I reckon they don't even read anything at the ATF that conflicts with their forgone conclusion on the study (which originated due to a desire to ban something anyway or they wouldnt of wasted their time. Shouldn't this study have originated from some event to give them reason to question it rather then on what appears to be whim?).

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...Anyway, the ATF doesn't care about your rights- maybe your representatives do.. But I reckon they don't even read anything at the ATF that conflicts with their forgone conclusion on the study (which originated due to a desire to ban something anyway or they wouldnt of wasted their time. Shouldn't this study have originated from some event to give them reason to question it rather then on what appears to be whim?).

 

Apparently, this "study" was provoked by a letter to King Barry suggesting it; sent by none other than good ol Dianne Feinstein! This nasty commie bitch just won't quit until guns are outlawed altogether, (she's said as much).

 

Thanks again, CA!

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...Anyway, the ATF doesn't care about your rights- maybe your representatives do.. But I reckon they don't even read anything at the ATF that conflicts with their forgone conclusion on the study (which originated due to a desire to ban something anyway or they wouldnt of wasted their time. Shouldn't this study have originated from some event to give them reason to question it rather then on what appears to be whim?).

 

Apparently, this "study" was provoked by a letter to King Barry suggesting it; sent by none other than good ol Dianne Feinstein! This nasty commie bitch just won't quit until guns are outlawed altogether, (she's said as much).

 

Thanks again, CA!

 

What would be nice is her constituency to form a Grassroots movement to initiate treason charges or at the very least malfeasance of office charges. If successful, others of her bent would be more hesitant to follow in her footsteps!

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If you want to keep it, shoot it, and stay out of handcuff's, you'll register it.

If you live in a non DD state, but already owned it before the laws changed. It should be grandfathered in.

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If you live in a non DD state, but already owned it before the laws changed. It should be grandfathered in.

 

Correct

Shouldn't the Constitution be grandfathered in since it was written before all the gun infringments were created?

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If you live in a non DD state, but already owned it before the laws changed. It should be grandfathered in.

 

Correct

Shouldn't the Constitution be grandfathered in since it was written before all the gun infringments were created?

 

Hell, that makes sense to me! :super:

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What happens if they do DD the S-12 and your CLEO won't sign the paperwork? Then what happens?

 

Then it's definitely "boat accident" time, as they've given you no other choice... other than handing in your newly-titled "destructive device" 12-ga shotgun for destruction. I see that as surrendering a basic liberty, (in person), to a tyrannical federal government.

 

I don't know about you, but I'll never do that.

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What happens if they do DD the S-12 and your CLEO won't sign the paperwork? Then what happens?

 

I don't think a DD declaration will come but if it does I believe that part of the process for grandfathering them in is that the $200 tax is waived as well as the CLEO signature. I could be wrong but I thought I had read that somewhere.

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If you want to keep it, shoot it, and stay out of handcuff's, you'll register it.

If you live in a non DD state, but already owned it before the laws changed. It should be grandfathered in.

 

 

Keep in mind, laws have already been passed where anything occuring before were counted, as well (Federal DV laws), and are still on the books, seemingly having passed Constitutional scrutiny...

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