Shoop_da_woop 3 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 There is a lot more to Saiga 12s than just being a shotgun with a detachable magazine... and that's all this ugly thing looks to be. Well, that and it looks to be a standard gas operated shotgun cross dressing as a AR15... ugh... Dittto that. Of course I'm not an AR fan but I could guess those that are would like it. Still be worth having at least one though. I'd buy it just to have one. Hope they bring it on soon, the more mag feed shotguns, the merrier. Hell, it should be fed law that every family has to own a mag fed 12 gauge as a requirement of American citizenship. Wouldn't that kick the anti-gunners in the ass. That would make me cry out of joy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewoketeer 35 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) Hey there Mr. Saiga 12 purist, this is a pretty badass gun. Who wouldn't want the 2 most influential rifles in the world...IN 12GA!?!? It'd make a great addition to my exotic shotgun collection. A 12GA AK-47, and a 12GA "M-16." I get enough dropped jaws when I tell people about my Shotgun AK-47. This thing is only dressed up like an M16... it's no more M16 than a 10/22 with an AR kit is. The S12 is an AK chambered it 12 gauge... there's no masquerading there. I'm hardly an S12 purist...its just that this thing just doesn't look very well designed. Keep in mind the 'A' in AK stands for 'Avtomat'(automatic, or select fire). When dealing with others who may be ambivalent at best, call it what is is--a 12 gauge Kalashnikov. It piques their interest without so much threat. Unfortunately, many people in the Nation have become sheeple. Until such time as our rights are fully restored per 2A, we 'have to play the game.' Besides, if we can encourage those who are ambivalent or even borderline liberal to join us, we will be that much ahead. Edited May 10, 2011 by EWOKETEER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shoop_da_woop 3 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hey there Mr. Saiga 12 purist, this is a pretty badass gun. Who wouldn't want the 2 most influential rifles in the world...IN 12GA!?!? It'd make a great addition to my exotic shotgun collection. A 12GA AK-47, and a 12GA "M-16." I get enough dropped jaws when I tell people about my Shotgun AK-47. This thing is only dressed up like an M16... it's no more M16 than a 10/22 with an AR kit is. The S12 is an AK chambered it 12 gauge... there's no masquerading there. I'm hardly an S12 purist...its just that this thing just doesn't look very well designed. Keep in mind the 'A' in AK stands for 'Avtomat'(automatic, or select fire). When dealing with others who may be ambivalent at best, call it what is is--a 12 gauge Kalashnikov. It piques their interest without so much threat. Unfortunately, many people in the Nation have become sheeple. Until such time as our rights are fully restored per 2A, we 'have to play the game.' Besides, if we can encourage those who are ambivalent or even borderline liberal to join us, we will be that much ahead. It's now more just a part of the name. An AK-47, whether Auto/select fire/semi-auto, is still an "AK-47." Therefore I maintain that my S-12 is an AK-47 Shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I haven't seen anything on it other than the mention in a Shotgun News write up, but ADCOR is hinting that they have something along the lines of a 12ga AR in the works. If you do some research on the company, I'd say it would be a very good build and is U.S. made. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I should have a MKA 1919 in my possession very likely tomorrow or Friday!!! Looks very nice and simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Sweet, I expect we shall hear some good reviews within a week then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hey there Mr. Saiga 12 purist, this is a pretty badass gun. Who wouldn't want the 2 most influential rifles in the world...IN 12GA!?!? It'd make a great addition to my exotic shotgun collection. A 12GA AK-47, and a 12GA "M-16." I get enough dropped jaws when I tell people about my Shotgun AK-47. This thing is only dressed up like an M16... it's no more M16 than a 10/22 with an AR kit is. The S12 is an AK chambered it 12 gauge... there's no masquerading there. I'm hardly an S12 purist...its just that this thing just doesn't look very well designed. Keep in mind the 'A' in AK stands for 'Avtomat'(automatic, or select fire). When dealing with others who may be ambivalent at best, call it what is is--a 12 gauge Kalashnikov. It piques their interest without so much threat. Unfortunately, many people in the Nation have become sheeple. Until such time as our rights are fully restored per 2A, we 'have to play the game.' Besides, if we can encourage those who are ambivalent or even borderline liberal to join us, we will be that much ahead. So, no one on the forum should ever call any AK pattern weapon without selective fire... an AK? Riiiiiiiiiiiight..... I understand where you're coming from... but thats a little retarded to take it that far IMO. I'm not going to stop using common sense for some rampant fear of the ATF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bambulance Man 13 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 hmnn interesintg... i would buy this. Just because its different. yea i know im late to the party. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ignition 9 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Now that that our glorious leader has made a subforum for the MKA1919 im guessing this thread should be moved?? Also, damn MD getting a hold of one already im jealous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 We will also be torture testing one of these shotguns next week and will post pics & videos . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 We will also be torture testing one of these shotguns next week and will post pics & videos . I can only hope that you can outdo the Russian's in the cheezy music from their Saiga factory torture test video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) The factory magwell, and AR ergonomics looks good....Does it have a LRBHO from the factory? If it accepts AR grips, stocks, etc it could be a contender. The trigger group looks VERY Kalashnikov inspired from the exploded drawings. Holy hell... They are selling for US$1000.00, Rs 48,000.00 I'll stick with the S12, thanks. Looks nice though, if the price comes down. Edited May 20, 2011 by Heath_h49008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think the stock and PG are one piece.^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 I plan on taking mine out in the next few weeks to do many tests. I have not had much of a chance with the move to tear it apart yet. A few things I noticed with the one I received it came with 3 internal chokes. The carry handle is removable with a full rail on top. 2 5rd magazines one for 2 3/4" and one for 3". The bolt locks back when the mag is empty and has the standard AR bolt release on the left side. I look forward to shooting it soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 @Heath: the lower looks to be some kind of plastic, and is one-piece from the magwell to the buttstock. No AR parts compatibility, and it looks like an 1100 in a bad AR suit. I can buy a new 11-87 for $700, and an 1100 for $1100. Or a 3-gun modified, used 1100 for about $300, but it needs a new barrel ($250-300). I'll take a Saiga with $300-400 worth of parts on it, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CFOofEVIL 8 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Military Arms Channel just posted a video on the Marietta Machine Gun shoot, and a portion of it is on the MKA 1919. Thought y'all might be interested in it, as he does give some of his impressions of the weapon and you get to seem some nice HD footage of it. The MKA section is around 10:28. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcmacconnell 25 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Thing looks like a cheap piece of Turkish shit. I'll stick with my S12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CFOofEVIL 8 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I'm not particularly enthused by it either, but I figured it would interesting for folks to check it's features out. That plastic rotating front site... ouch. I mean, weight savings is just a horrible excuse to have put that on there. And yet again, our fearless S12 hasn't a thing to worry about. I figure it'll just end up a niche weapon. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) After what little I learned about the 1919 in that short video segment. As is, I'd say it isn't fit for much besides a range toy. For me, just the FSB alone is a deal breaker, "Oops! I bumped the sight, hold on while I re-zero." How tough is the plastic/polymer that is used for the FSB and other components? Is a really high quality, tough as nails, glass filled polymer, or is it cheap shit that is going to stress, chip/break relatively easily? Regardless, IMHO, it'll never be able to be torqued down hard enough to take any abuse, without stripping threads, At least for the FSB, Krebs or another, could easily make a nice steel, bolt-on replacement. I'm still interested, but have so many questions. Only getting one in my hands and some serious in-depth reviews and abuse by regular shooters will answer my questions. Shit, that means I have to be patient and only time will tell Edited June 4, 2011 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EnzNow 14 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) I ran across this in another forum today...Tromix SBS MKA-1919... If its affordable, it looks pretty sweet, once some Full-capacity mags come out. Lots of little parts tho http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=258307 -EnzNow Edited June 5, 2011 by EnzNow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I ran across this in another forum today...Tromix SBS MKA-1919... If its affordable, it looks pretty sweet, once some Full-capacity mags come out. Lots of little parts tho http://www.shotgunwo...hp?f=7&t=258307 -EnzNow And if you were to go into the 'Akdal MKA 1919 forum included in these boards, you'd found that very same thread, and more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fapp3R 4 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 the only way i would be interested in one of these would be if the price was lower than a SAIGA-12, or if maybe there were some type of quad-rail that you could buy for it, prolly eventually will, but for a price to price comparison so far from what i have read S-12=winner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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