Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) From member VORON on TheAkForum -distance : about 70 yards -(1) phone book that blew up trifold after being completely submerged in water for 10 mins, about 10 inches total -3 3/4 inch boards of various density -16 inch AKS-74 A) 1985 7N6 decent size entrance begin to tumble about 3 inched in, sideways at this point exit hole out of the phone book complete penetration through 1st wood second layer third (notice the bullet is sideways again) and gone very impressive B ) Hornady new load 60 gr V-max entrance (wow smaller then 7N6) holy shit check out this rapid expansion exit hole and into the first board NOPE, didnt go through the first board stopped there interesting- exit hole side by side left (7N6) right (Hornady) C) Shitty Tiger 59 gr FMJ entrance exellent penetration thats about it exit hole into first board totally through the 1st board second and third D) Wolf 60 gr HP entrance A few inches in A little further little better expansion further succesfully though the first board and into the second and this is the other side of the second board NO EXIT Edited April 8, 2011 by Arik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 There is a bunch more but this is all I can post at the moment. I'll try to finish this up later today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Any key-holing? A buddy of mine has one and some bullets definitely hit sideways, on target, but sideways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Any key-holing? A buddy of mine has one and some bullets definitely hit sideways, on target, but sideways. 5.45 doesn't keyhole in flight, it tumbles after hitting due to the hollow nose and long bullet design. If it's hitting sideways something is wrong with the rifle. Do you have anymore details on your buddy's rifle? Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) I don't believe so. I know he helped build the AKS. If he had key holding he definitely would have posted it. TX ZEN im pretty sure you seen that rifle. Belongs to the guy who hosted your winter AK skrimish in Pa Edited April 8, 2011 by Arik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Any key-holing? A buddy of mine has one and some bullets definitely hit sideways, on target, but sideways. 5.45 doesn't keyhole in flight, it tumbles after hitting due to the hollow nose and long bullet design. If it's hitting sideways something is wrong with the rifle. Do you have anymore details on your buddy's rifle? Z Other than it being a beat up junker, no. But he loves it so it's all good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Deleted. Missread the post Edited April 8, 2011 by Arik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I don't believe so. I know he helped build the AKS. If he had key holding he definitely would have posted it. TX ZEN im pretty sure you seen that rifle. Belongs to the guy who hosted your winter AK skrimish in Pa Yes I know Voron very well, he's a great guy and did a super job hosting the class in PA. His ballistic testing is very cool and the article he wrote on his Hornady testing was really really good. Saw the rifle too which was cool Still curious on what's wrong with Tool's buddy's rifle though. Something sounds off. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 ^ yea I missread and thought you were asking me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I don't believe so. I know he helped build the AKS. If he had key holding he definitely would have posted it. TX ZEN im pretty sure you seen that rifle. Belongs to the guy who hosted your winter AK skrimish in Pa Yes I know Voron very well, he's a great guy and did a super job hosting the class in PA. His ballistic testing is very cool and the article he wrote on his Hornady testing was really really good. Saw the rifle too which was cool Still curious on what's wrong with Tool's buddy's rifle though. Something sounds off. Z Rusty, dirty, neglected. Other than that I don't think anything is "wrong" with it. It's an AK, it functions every time you pull the trigger. He never knew how to take the cover off until I showed him on my S12 last fall, and I know he's had it for years. I'm not to concerned about it, since it's not mine and I really don't have a whole lot of experience with his gun. I don't think he's too concerned either, as long as it goes bang when he pulls the switch. He's just that type of guy. The other day is the second time I ever fired it and it grouped minute of pie plate at 100 yards with open sights, but some of them were definitely key-holed on the paper. We were using some hollow point surplus ammo from centerfire systems dot com. No FTFs. For what it's worth, I'm not thrilled about the 5.45 round to begin with, but anyone else who is, that's ok. I just feel that if I'm spending my money on a rifle and ammo, I want a lot more ft.lbs. of knock-down power that that particular round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 ^ 375 remington ultra mag. The primary use of this cartridge should be hunting large, thick-skinned game. It is powerful enough to kill any land animal and, with its high velocity, can do so at fairly long ranges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Or .44 mag. These are some recovered bullets from that day, that were laying on the surface after the snow melted. I wish i had saved the paper target. The .44 mag was from a Ruger carbine and all five bullets were laying next to right each other. For hunting I stay with the old faithfull 30-30, but plan to get a .308 this year. Perhaps a Saiga! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 (edited) Still curious on what's wrong with Tool's buddy's rifle though. Something sounds off. I've read about some of the Bulgy 5.45's (Century Arms builds) having barrel issues which caused key holing. On another forum one individual fixed the issue by replacing the barrel. BTW: Thanks for sharing the images on the 5.45 Arik. Edited April 8, 2011 by NM0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Still curious on what's wrong with Tool's buddy's rifle though. Something sounds off. I've read about some of the Bulgy 5.45's (Century Arms builds) having barrel issues which caused key holing. On another forum one individual fixed the issue by replacing the barrel. BTW: Thanks for sharing the images on the 5.45 Arik. Yes. It is a Bulgarian. Not all of the shot key-holed. I'll estimate about 30%. Here's one that didn't. I turned it a little each photo. It's cool to see the striations where it went though whatever it went through (crusty snow I think). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Yeah from what I have read they don't key hole every time. Did a bit of research on them before I picked up a Saiga 5.45. Not all the Centuries are problematic but you don't really read about the good ones, just the problem ones. If your buddy is fine with its performance, that's all that matters. Cool pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sasha 10 Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Very kind of you to take time to post testing. Much thanks Arik. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 For what it's worth, I'm not thrilled about the 5.45 round to begin with, but anyone else who is, that's ok. I just feel that if I'm spending my money on a rifle and ammo, I want a lot more ft.lbs. of knock-down power that that particular round. im just curious man, did you have higher or lower expectations? i tend to shoot more hard targets with my sgl. i got into the habit when i started shooting my mosin a few years back. from what i learned, using 7n6 ammo, from around 60 yards, the 5.45 that i have cleanly makes swiss cheese of 1/4 inch steel plate that i get from work that are made to hold up roll-up doors, plus some minor things behind. ill post pics i have when get some new batteries in my camera. i found it interesting that the hornady polymer tips went through the plate as well. i wasnt expecting it to. but it performed ok as far as accuracy and reliablity went. but between the hornady and the 7n6, they are two different bullet types and will perform differently. what i want is to get some gelatin blocks and test the two side by side. im curious to see how the hornady performs next to the 7n6. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 im just curious man, did you have higher or lower expectations? i tend to shoot more hard targets with my sgl. i got into the habit when i started shooting my mosin a few years back. from what i learned, using 7n6 ammo, from around 60 yards, the 5.45 that i have cleanly makes swiss cheese of 1/4 inch steel plate that i get from work that are made to hold up roll-up doors, plus some minor things behind. ill post pics i have when get some new batteries in my camera. i found it interesting that the hornady polymer tips went through the plate as well. i wasnt expecting it to. but it performed ok as far as accuracy and reliablity went. but between the hornady and the 7n6, they are two different bullet types and will perform differently. what i want is to get some gelatin blocks and test the two side by side. im curious to see how the hornady performs next to the 7n6. Really 1/4" isn't much, the 5.45 is designed to penetrate 3/8" and it still travels a little bit after that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 The only thing left is a .223 shot and an x39 shot, just for comparison. If anyone wants I'll post those up. Otherwise that is it atm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 i wanna try it on 2 of the 1/4" plates bolted together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toshbar 36 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 i wanna try it on 2 of the 1/4" plates bolted together. I've done that on 2 plates welded together. Did my old WASR and a buddy's AR side by side. Neither penetrated with one shot, but I'd stand behind the plates with an AR firing before I'd do it with 7.62x39 coming at me. Here are some photos Entry No Exit. Some punched a hole when two shots were touching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 What no 5.45? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
operationlattethunder 1 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 Still curious on what's wrong with Tool's buddy's rifle though. Something sounds off. I've read about some of the Bulgy 5.45's (Century Arms builds) having barrel issues which caused key holing. On another forum one individual fixed the issue by replacing the barrel. From what I understand, some of the CAI 5.45's were fitted with .223 barrels... just that little bit of difference (5.45 vs. 5.56) and you get those inconsistant key-holes. -ASC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 From what I understand, some of the CAI 5.45's were fitted with .223 barrels... just that little bit of difference (5.45 vs. 5.56) and you get those inconsistant key-holes. -ASC Yup, read the barrels being fitted with wrong ones more than once. Also came across some topics about ones that had plenty of miles on them even though they were 5.45's. Some new bulgy replacement barrels were going around recently. That fixed one fellows rifle up real quick. Not just solving key hole but also improving accuracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 The only thing left is a .223 shot and an x39 shot, just for comparison. If anyone wants I'll post those up. Otherwise that is it atm. definately would be interested in seeing those as well.. Did you do any 7.62 MC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toshbar 36 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 What no 5.45? That was about 6 months before I got my 5.45. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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