nattyiceking 33 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuSmkjjkssM As you can see it didn't go very well but I suspect it could have something to do with the mag we were using. I'm gonna try and get out friday afternoon and do another test this time using the VPlug and MD20 drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csmw 98 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 What internal modifications have you done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Yep, that would drive me nuts too. Maybe a tall G2 hammer causing a lot of that. Or it could be the quad rail. Edited April 12, 2011 by Spartacus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 What internal modifications have you done? I had a glassbolt done by Pauly on my bolt and carrier and I also rounded off and polished the rough angles on my hammer. Yep, that would drive me nuts too. Maybe a tall G2 hammer causing a lot of that. Or it could be the quad rail. My G2 FCG was already modified before I bought it from CSS. It's funny you mention the quad rail because this was the first time I've used it. Could it really cause issues? The weird shit is I shot close to 1000 rounds of Federal bulk over the winter with very few FTE's, when I was using just the tri-rail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 If the top rail is blocking the gas block vent that could cause you problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aeternus 7 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I've tried the KA Puck and the twister puck, neither one helped cycle low brass, I want to try this one from MD Arms but I don't want to waste more money. Would be cool to test one out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 If the top rail is blocking the gas block vent that could cause you problems. Thanks, I did some searching and I'm pretty confident this is the problem. I checked it out and my vent hole is completely covered up by the quad rail. I'll have to drill a hole in through the side of the rail in order to let the vent breathe. I'll be back with pictures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 The top rail can also put pressure on the gas tube and cause the op rod to bind up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mephis 82 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 There's a notable difference in cycling, in your video. The gun just isn't quite there, but it certainly was performing better with the booster puck. Can't really expect that to magically open your ports and account for any other issues with the gun. It did a lot better. Your gun is still just undergassed. Mine can't do winchester AA from the hip with the booster puck. With the factory puck it was a bolt action even being fired from the shoulder. Can fire winchester AA from the shoulder with the booster puck, no problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 There's a notable difference in cycling, in your video. The gun just isn't quite there, but it certainly was performing better with the booster puck. Can't really expect that to magically open your ports and account for any other issues with the gun. It did a lot better. Your gun is still just undergassed. Mine can't do winchester AA from the hip with the booster puck. With the factory puck it was a bolt action even being fired from the shoulder. Can fire winchester AA from the shoulder with the booster puck, no problem. Yeah the booster puck did made a difference even though it still wasn't performing half as good as it did when I had just the tri rail on there. I'm gonna have to do a new test on friday and another video. With this new mod to the quad rail and the V plug I'm confident I'll get some better results. Also I wasn't expecting magic but at the low price with the positive reviews and Mike D's garantee that it would allow me to hip fire I figured it was worth a shot. Anyway here's what I did, hopefully it works Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 The top rail can also put pressure on the gas tube and cause the op rod to bind up. I understand this could be the case with other rails, but I'm using a Chaos top rail which bolts directly to the tri rail and makes zero contact with the gas tube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbles 23 Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 That would piss me off It looks like you have the V plug or was that with the factory plug? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 That would piss me off It looks like you have the V plug or was that with the factory plug? That's a V plug in the picture but the test was done with the factory plug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G-30 8 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 There's a notable difference in cycling, in your video. The gun just isn't quite there, but it certainly was performing better with the booster puck. Can't really expect that to magically open your ports and account for any other issues with the gun. It did a lot better. Your gun is still just undergassed. Mine can't do winchester AA from the hip with the booster puck. With the factory puck it was a bolt action even being fired from the shoulder. Can fire winchester AA from the shoulder with the booster puck, no problem. Yeah the booster puck did made a difference even though it still wasn't performing half as good as it did when I had just the tri rail on there. I'm gonna have to do a new test on friday and another video. With this new mod to the quad rail and the V plug I'm confident I'll get some better results. Also I wasn't expecting magic but at the low price with the positive reviews and Mike D's garantee that it would allow me to hip fire I figured it was worth a shot. Anyway here's what I did, hopefully it works I tried that on my Chaos extended quad and it did not fix my FTE issue. I did notice that the top of the quad rail was hitting the top of the gun where the rear sight was, I have since removed some material from inside of the rail so it does not make contact but have not had a chance to see if this made any difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Sorry to hear that G30, I hope I have better luck.. regardless of the outcome I'm gonna try and do these two mods over the weekend: File the extractor slot: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/51368-extractor-slot-fix/page__p__480426#entry480426 Make the D-shaped hole and open my ports to .093: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/33836-modification-to-repair-fte-issues-on-saigas-with-blocked-gas-ports/ I don't think there's much else I can do after that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G-30 8 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Sorry to hear that G30, I hope I have better luck.. regardless of the outcome I'm gonna try and do these two mods over the weekend: File the extractor slot: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/51368-extractor-slot-fix/page__p__480426#entry480426 Make the D-shaped hole and open my ports to .093: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/33836-modification-to-repair-fte-issues-on-saigas-with-blocked-gas-ports/ I don't think there's much else I can do after that Well good luck, mine runs 100% without the top rail on but will not cycle for shit with it installed. I guess if this latest mod does not work I will have to junk the quad rail and find a different way to mount my Aimpoint At least she looks ok Edited April 14, 2011 by G-30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 mine eats the remington gun club stuff but it will FTE at the hip. my bolt carrier is polished but my FCG and bolt are un modified i will be sending it all to pauly soon. all i did was remove the gas block and uncovered 2 of my 3 ports and i cleaned out 2 ports and left them the same size and opened up one to 3/32 everything else is factory i also have a chaos quad rail on the way im hoping it wont cause me problems ill also be ordering the booster puck i believe my gun will be perfect with it cause it only FTE if you shoot limp wristed or from the hip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nattyiceking 33 Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I was planning on testing out the quad rail mod today but my shooting spot was flooded after the last two straight days of rain. . So instead I decided why not open up my ports. The gas block came off a lot easier then I expected.. opened up the hole in the gas block and then my three ports to 3/32.. put the gas block back on and installed the pins. both pins mushroomed a little bit from punching them out so I filed them down before I tapped them back in. I lost a good amount of material on the top pin and couldn't get it to go all the way through, now when if I look really close with a light there is a cunt hair of a gap between the end of the pin and the gas block hole and I can see the gas plug retainer pin (?) moving when I depress it.. Don't know if that should be a concern? Hopefully the water will recede by tomarrow afternoon so I can test this shit out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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