Airsoft accessories vs non-airsoft accessories

[allanonmage 1]

Oh yeah, like someone already said....why are you putting a bi-pod on a shotgun? Just curious.

 

Because it has a 20 round drum. If I were to use, or even want to use, it in a real situation, with a drum that large, I'd probably be defending a position (ie MINE if zombies were coming at me). My thoughts are drums are great for stationary, slightly mobile situations, as opposed to convenient for fire & maneuver situations. On the Saiga, for fire & maneuver type scenarios, 1 or more ~10 round magazines (with less weight and bulk) would be better, and that's why I want something that can double as either fore grip or bi-pod. I haven't tried to reach around the drum yet (I have yet to modify the drum to make it stay in the magazine well), but reaching around the 90 rounder on the AR is a bitch! So I want to get this particular fore grip for my AR (90 rounder, & beta mag), as well as my AK (75 round Romanian drum), and one for the Saiga since I bought the 20 round drums. Being former USMC, I want them to all use the same part, and $100 x 3 = expensive.

 

I suppose the other reason for a combined fore grip/bi-pod is I'm not sure how to mount bot of those accessories on the same firearm without them interfering with each other.

Edited April 24, 2011 by allanonmage

[allanonmage 1]

Yes, the poll is pretty worthless, imo. Did the OP start it just to try to find some justification for using airsoft parts on actual firearms, (which he must know, on some level, is stupid and wrong)?

 

There are so many cheap parts made for real weapons; I don't know how someone could ever think it acceptable to resort to parts made for toys.

 

The poll has served it's master well: Seems the only people posting comments are people that would not use airsoft accessories on firearms, and some other people that chime in with something similar to say.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

Yes, the poll is pretty worthless, imo. Did the OP start it just to try to find some justification for using airsoft parts on actual firearms, (which he must know, on some level, is stupid and wrong)?

 

There are so many cheap parts made for real weapons; I don't know how someone could ever think it acceptable to resort to parts made for toys.

 

The poll has served it's master well: Seems the only people posting comments are people that would not use airsoft accessories on firearms, and some other people that chime in with something similar to say.

 

I'll give it to you straight, the grip-pod that you speak of, probably doesn't differ in material from one used on airsoft. I mean, c'mon, how strong does it have to be? It's not like it's taking 100% of the recoil of whatever weapon you are using it on. Screw the haters, try it.

 

I wouldn't put a bi-pod on a shot-gun personally, but you are free to do what you wish. If it works for you then it works for you.

[datubie 21]

Or it's just that there are those who are keeping their comments to themselves.

 

The poll has served it's master well: Seems the only people posting comments are people that would not use airsoft accessories on firearms, and some other people that chime in with something similar to say.

[volkov 318]

 

thats why my cheap red dot is co-witness with my irons so if it fails or battery dies i can still aim

 

You have a red dot on a shotgun? You realize that's like putting a laser on a hand grenade right?

 

 

 

Tell that to all the competitive shooters who use em.

 

I've got a fairly cheap Bushnell red dot, (TRS-25), mounted forward of my rear H&K sight, and it easily cowitnesses. It's not necessary, but it's definitely useful, unlike "a laser on a hand grenade".

 

As I clearly stated, that is my opinion and you can do whatever you want. I don't shoot in competition, I don't need to, I've got three project vehicles that cost me enough money as it is.

 

My point is, I don't trust my life to any sights that require batteries...

 

 

Don't have a red dot on my shotgun, but that seems to me like a slingshot guy saying "don't trust my life to a projectile that requires gunpowder". Sometimes reliability should be sacrificed for effectiveness.. Although I'm more of an iron guys self myself.

 

Well this IS America and the slingshot guy is certainly free to feel that way...

 

"Reliability should be sacrificed" -Hmmmm, sounds like another quote from a dead guy...

 

or the guy in the F-22. Not the most reliable of machines but I don't want to come up against one with an AK.

[Joesmoe 14]

As far as the airsoft grip pod goes I was given one to try out on my airsoft gun a couple of years ago, and I torture tested the hell out of it and it is still functioning perfectly. It may find it's way on to my next ar for range trips.

[patriot 7,197]

Let's save the Airsoft parts for the mall ninjas of the world.

 

 

 

 

 

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

 

thats why my cheap red dot is co-witness with my irons so if it fails or battery dies i can still aim

 

You have a red dot on a shotgun? You realize that's like putting a laser on a hand grenade right?

 

 

 

Tell that to all the competitive shooters who use em.

 

I've got a fairly cheap Bushnell red dot, (TRS-25), mounted forward of my rear H&K sight, and it easily cowitnesses. It's not necessary, but it's definitely useful, unlike "a laser on a hand grenade".

 

As I clearly stated, that is my opinion and you can do whatever you want. I don't shoot in competition, I don't need to, I've got three project vehicles that cost me enough money as it is.

 

My point is, I don't trust my life to any sights that require batteries...

 

 

Don't have a red dot on my shotgun, but that seems to me like a slingshot guy saying "don't trust my life to a projectile that requires gunpowder". Sometimes reliability should be sacrificed for effectiveness.. Although I'm more of an iron guys self myself.

 

Well this IS America and the slingshot guy is certainly free to feel that way...

 

"Reliability should be sacrificed" -Hmmmm, sounds like another quote from a dead guy...

 

or the guy in the F-22. Not the most reliable of machines but I don't want to come up against one with an AK.

 

 

Why not? I've seen an F-18 fod out due to a 3/8" nut, I'm sure the same could happen to the "mighty" F-22...

[22_Shooter 1,560]

Oh yeah, like someone already said....why are you putting a bi-pod on a shotgun? Just curious.

 

Because it has a 20 round drum. If I were to use, or even want to use, it in a real situation, with a drum that large, I'd probably be defending a position (ie MINE if zombies were coming at me).

 

lolwut? You talk about using it in a "real situation" and then follow it with talking about defending your position from incoming zombies.

 

As far as the airsoft grip pod goes I was given one to try out on my airsoft gun a couple of years ago, and I torture tested the hell out of it and it is still functioning perfectly. It may find it's way on to my next ar for range trips.

 

I can't tell from your wording..........are you saying you torture tested it on your Airsoft gun? If so, I'm not sure that qualifies as "torture testing".

[Joesmoe 14]

Yes it's on my airsoft m4 look alike, and we train with airsoft guns and are training isn't much different than I did in the Corp, in some situations it's just plain safer to train that way plus ppl who have never been shot at learn real quick to keep there heads down. And in no way would I use airsoft parts on my real weapons in a life and death situation but for the range or for training I don't see a problem with it, it's how I found out that I can get on target faster with a afg than with a vertical grip.

[MT Predator 2,294]

I'll give it to you straight, the grip-pod that you speak of, probably doesn't differ in material from one used on airsoft. I mean, c'mon, how strong does it have to be? It's not like it's taking 100% of the recoil of whatever weapon you are using it on. Screw the haters, try it.

 

I wouldn't put a bi-pod on a shot-gun personally, but you are free to do what you wish. If it works for you then it works for you.

I wouldn't be quick to say the materials and quality of the airsoft stuff are the same as for real equipment. No, the Gripod may not be taking 100% of the recoil but it does transfer quite a bit of it when the feet start digging in. Real Gripods are seeing action on rail equipped M-249 and M-240B machineguns. Like I said earlier, the military doesn't authorize the use of weapons accessories until they really have been torture tested and evaluated. I'd imagine a S-12 on a drum dump would be just as hard on it.

[BpS12 512]

From what I've seen, the guys in the(if I may) 'stan, are using the cheaper gripods mostly as foregrips and to keep their weapons out of the dirt. If you're looking to use it for position defense, I'd either go Mil issue or a seperate bipod that pivots/swivels. Some bipods angle out to the sides so as to fit around a foregrip when closed.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

Yes I have and will use airsoft accessories on real guns.

 

I have used ladder rail covers that are from airsoft equipment. Ladder rails don't cost anywhere near $12 a piece to manufacture.

 

I have used a $7 fake grip pod to see if I actually like the design since I had read mixed reviews. I am really glad that I didn't drop $100 for the real thing because it is too long and not stable enough and thus doesn't do well as a grip or a bipod for me. This now lies in the extra parts drawer and I would have lost more money selling my real one used than what it cost me to buy the airsoft version.

 

I have a Magpul PTS AFG that I got for $10 less than the real deal and it is plenty durable, but has molding markings that are not as clean as the real AFG. I would really have to beat the shit out of my rifle to break an AFG and the quadrail would probably be unusable if I actually got the AFG to break off.

 

I have also used a lot of UTG stuff on AR rifles. The sights that you buy for less than a third of what the fixed DPMS or LMT manufactured function the same and hold zero on my rifles without issue. I would however be more hesitant to use other airsoft brands' flip ups after playing with them at the store.

 

I also have an un-marked Noveske Flaming Pig knock off that works great and is machined perfectly that cost a quarter of what the real Noveske cost. I inspected the machining and thread work prior to purchasing and the quality is as good as the Noveske that I looked at at the same gun-show. The mark-up on some "brand name" parts like these is absolutely ridiculous and it is the same as paying for a Nike Swoosh on shoes in my opinion.

 

On the flip side, I have bought the U.S. made parts like an ACE foregrip and ProMag foregrips that are absolutely worthless. The ACE won't fit on any rail I own without a cardboard shim to prevent it from wobbling back and forth. I sheared off two Pro Mag's on my Saiga 12 that have the plastic nipple on the piece that screws in from the bottom. A side screw is a requirement now on any grip that I own for a rifle. I bought Troy rail covers and they fit so tight that the plastic shaved off when I removed them and it took about 10 minutes to do so.

 

 

I think that on ergonomic parts like grips or rail covers, airsoft parts function fine in this role since they are pretty simple in design and not going to cost your life if it does fail in a life-or-death scenario.

 

For sights, I have no problem with UTG/Leapers products as I have used them since the AWB sunsetted with no loss of zero and excellent repeatability on various AR's. Other brands I will not vouch for and the more complicated the part, the less I would trust it. I actually have a Troy (considered the best you can buy) flip up on my 9mm and a UTG rear sight.

 

I refuse to use any Chinese flashlights/lasers/electronics other than fixed red dots (no multiple reticle crap) on a .22 and was lucky that I had a return policy where I purchased some in the past.

[MT Predator 2,294]

From what I've seen, the guys in the(if I may) 'stan, are using the cheaper gripods mostly as foregrips and to keep their weapons out of the dirt. If you're looking to use it for position defense, I'd either go Mil issue or a seperate bipod that pivots/swivels. Some bipods angle out to the sides so as to fit around a foregrip when closed.

 

The real Grip-pod system is issued to troops over there. Kind of pointless on a Carbine and the most use the bipod function sees is in the chow hall where you store your weapon on the floor at you feet while you eat. I hear it does get used most often on Para SAWs with the factory bipod removed because of a rail system installation. I can see someone using airsoft rail protectors but not something that could be critical to running the weapon efficiently. Sights would definitely be a No-Go with me.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

Sights would definitely be a No-Go with me.

 

I totally understand people's mindsets on this because there are a lot of airsoft type sights that are absolute garbage. However, I will again stand by the UTG as being durable with first-hand experience. They were also all I could afford to put on my rifle when I first got it.

 

Additionally for me, backup sights are just that... Backups (I have scopes/optics as the primary sighting systems on all my rifles including .22's). I have an EoTech as my primary sighting system on my AR 9mm and then I co-witness with my BUIS where my UTG rear flip setup currently is. My UTG sights have been through some pretty hefty abuse and they have worked on several late night rabbit hunts even when my primary illuminated optics failed. One such event that stands out is falling from a very elevated position onto hard desert ground which is a testament to the rifle and the sight (my friend dropped the rifle out of the truck bed when the driver hit a rather large bump). The iron sights kept zero and they finished the night taking another 5 jacks with no need for Kentucky windage. I haven't been out with the guy that dropped my setup since I feel he was the weakest link in the system and shouldn't be dropping my shit no matter how big of a bump it was.

 

I had my Troy front sight fall off last time I was at the range since it doesn't have any type of thread locker material (Magpul MBUS have a waxy blue material at the tip of the bolt that makes it stick) and it has a flat tip screw rather than Hex Head. It was as tight as I could get without stretching the screw on the previous outing and after less than 500 rounds of 9mm it rattled loose. My EoTech and UTG rear sight kept zero and provided a great way to confirm zero after reattaching the Troy sight after it fell on the ground and I screwed it back on (the Troy was fine too and didn't need any adjustment). Red Loctite is now a part of this system!

 

Even the best (or most expensive - Troy) equipment is not perfect and without testing, you will not find out until it is too late.

 

Also everything can be made to fail if not set up properly or abused bad enough.

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

I think UTG is one of those rare companies that makes some products that can be safely used on both toys, (airsoft), and actual firearms.

 

I don't use any UTG parts myself, but that's due more to my aesthetic preferences than a notion that they're not sturdy enough for the job.

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

...I haven't been out with the guy that dropped my setup since I feel he was the weakest link in the system and shouldn't be dropping my shit no matter how big of a bump it was...

 

No shit! I'd have to take more than a few slow, deep breaths in that situation to avoid kicking that guy's ass, (or making him walk his clumsy ass home, at the very least).

 

A bump? BFD. If it's big enough to throw you from the truck bed, then go ahead and fall out, and use your body to cushion the impact of my weapon that I was good enough to let you use!

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

...I haven't been out with the guy that dropped my setup since I feel he was the weakest link in the system and shouldn't be dropping my shit no matter how big of a bump it was...

 

No shit! I'd have to take more than a few slow, deep breaths in that situation to avoid kicking that guy's ass, (or making him walk his clumsy ass home, at the very least).

 

A bump? BFD. If it's big enough to throw you from the truck bed, then go ahead and fall out, and use your body to cushion the impact of my weapon that I was good enough to let you use!

I was not thrilled to say the least.

 

But my rifle took a lickin' and kept on tickin'. Evidently he had a pretty gnarley bruise and hopefully it knocked a little sense into him.

[MT Predator 2,294]

BD, glad the UTGs work for you. Although they are called Back Up Iron Sights, they need to be the most important sights on the weapon and need to work well. In the military, you are required to qualify with irons on your M4 before touching the CCO (Aimpoint). EOTechs and Aimpoints are great tools on a weapon but they have batteries which can fail as well as the battery box issues EOTech was having with some models. Most importantly, mounting your sights properly so nothing comes loose is paramount.

[midnaite 43]

airsoft is not always that bad, but indeed, it depends of the gun you use it on.

I have a colt/umarex m4 .22 (.22 SA ar15 made by umarex(walther) under colt licence) and I dont mind puting airsoft part on it like a magpul PTS stock, a fake chinese acog (quite good for the price I paid for it, doesn't lose zero, been on the gun for 2 years now) and a aluminium foregrip, and it's ok.

 

the magpul AFG on my S12 is a PTS too, come on it's just a polymer foregrip, I don't see how could it fail.

 

airsoft accessories is bad for reddot, it's not meant to handle the recoil of a real gun, but minor parts like foregrip, I don't see the problem.

 

the reason I used PTS is because of your stupid ITAR and most american manufacturers who doesn't want to sell their products oversea, I live in France, and sometimes it's just a pain in this ass, either we have to use bootleggers techniques to have the products we want or pay an insane amout of money to find a french autorised dealer who is allowed to sell it, so sometimes, it's just easier to just buy airsoft.

[cvhanh20 1,052]

What amazes me is how some people will look for or try and pick out the smallest imperfection of well made products, but then turn around and say some stupid shit, like, yeah I use toy airsoft gear on my real weapon, what about it! Reeeaaaaalllllyyyyyyy! Heres your sign.

[BobAsh 582]

What amazes me is how some people will look for or try and pick out the smallest imperfection of well made products, but then turn around and say some stupid shit, like, yeah I use toy airsoft gear on my real weapon, what about! Reeeaaaaalllllyyyyyyy! Heres your sign.

 

lol too true.

[zaxon_182 44]

I'm with Cameron and Bob, most "defects" I've seen have been purely cosmetic. Function far outweighs aesthetics, except when it comes to women. There is no substitute for quality.

[BobAsh 582]

I dunno, your statement about women is arguable too.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

BD, glad the UTGs work for you. Although they are called Back Up Iron Sights, they need to be the most important sights on the weapon and need to work well. In the military, you are required to qualify with irons on your M4 before touching the CCO (Aimpoint). EOTechs and Aimpoints are great tools on a weapon but they have batteries which can fail as well as the battery box issues EOTech was having with some models. Most importantly, mounting your sights properly so nothing comes loose is paramount.

 

I think part of the disconnect is that I am no longer in the military and using my weapons to defend my life and my buddies' lives every day. There is a very unlikely (hopefully) chance that someday I may have to use them to defend myself and my family. I own the majority of my weapons as fun toys to practice with and make paper targets cringe and tin cans and shotgun shells dance at the range.

 

But... I own a lot more weapons than I could carry on my best day and can choose the best system to suit my needs if it ever comes to that.

 

A 9mm AR is a fun range toy that spits out lots of meager pistol rounds at around 350 foot pounds of energy each. It is fun and puts a smile on my face. My Saiga 7.62x39's triple that in energy but have cheap Russian factory sights made out of pot metal. My custom .260 that is outifitted airsoft free with a Nightforce Optic, Leupy Mark IV rings, US Optics leveler, PRS Stock, JP Trigger and has proven to be capable out past 1000 yards if I do my part. I also roll my own ammo and can taper my load to a particular environment and have the holdover data to be on target under varying conditions if necessary.

 

For self defense, I own a choice of several Glocks (with cheap plastic sights and a cheap plastic frames) and a dinky Remington 870 with a flashlight mounted on it. I trust my life with them because I have used the shit out of them personally and know their capability, reliability and ruggedness. I have also taken them down and modified some of them so if something simple breaks, I can fix the weapon myself rather than throwing it away or relying on someone else to fix an inoperable system.

 

My Saiga 12's are capable of spitting out over 25 ounces of lead in less than 5 seconds which makes me happy, but I don't need that much firepower to effectively defend my home from an invader. If the SHTF, then I still wouldn't use them as my primary choice because they are too big and ammo is too heavy to carry enough to get the fuck out of town.

 

My other weapons and suppressors that I own will probably fill in the voids where the aforementioned weapons don't work the best. One of my .22's should be small and light enough that I can put food on my table and keep heads down if I ever have to and if the heavy recoil breaks the optics, then I have a secondary sighting system called iron sights.

 

But if by putting a cheaper rail cover on my rifle that does just that - covers my rail, then I am somehow an idiot in others' minds, then I am comfortable enough in my skin to take the ridicule and save $30 with the exact same utility until they vaporize magically when I really need my rails covered. By having a grip that makes a rifle easier to carry and hold for extended periods of time breaks because I am forced to throw it off a 10 story building, then I will hope the rifle survives and suck up the lack of ergonomic comfort. If my sights lose zero or shatter into a million pieces, I will use the muscle memory from the thousands of rounds of instinct shooting to aim the rifle/pistol/shotgun and follow the impact splashes until the rounds finally hit my target. Or I can just use the barrel with my right eye as the reference point and again follow the splashes until the round hits my target. After the first 5 rounds, I will have a good idea of how much to hold over for future shots.

 

I am the weakest part of any weapons system if by my ignorance, inability or error. Those are the things that I am focused on and the saved money on certain airsoft parts can allow me to put more money in ammo, tools, parts and trips to the range.

 

Those that think I am dumb for doing this are welcome to donate their extra money or "quality" parts to make my weapon collection up to their standard.

[cvhanh20 1,052]

BD, glad the UTGs work for you. Although they are called Back Up Iron Sights, they need to be the most important sights on the weapon and need to work well. In the military, you are required to qualify with irons on your M4 before touching the CCO (Aimpoint). EOTechs and Aimpoints are great tools on a weapon but they have batteries which can fail as well as the battery box issues EOTech was having with some models. Most importantly, mounting your sights properly so nothing comes loose is paramount.

 

I think part of the disconnect is that I am no longer in the military and using my weapons to defend my life and my buddies' lives every day. There is a very unlikely (hopefully) chance that someday I may have to use them to defend myself and my family. I own the majority of my weapons as fun toys to practice with and make paper targets cringe and tin cans and shotgun shells dance at the range.

 

But... I own a lot more weapons than I could carry on my best day and can choose the best system to suit my needs if it ever comes to that.

 

A 9mm AR is a fun range toy that spits out lots of meager pistol rounds at around 350 foot pounds of energy each. It is fun and puts a smile on my face. My Saiga 7.62x39's triple that in energy but have cheap Russian factory sights made out of pot metal. My custom .260 that is outifitted airsoft free with a Nightforce Optic, Leupy Mark IV rings, US Optics leveler, PRS Stock, JP Trigger and has proven to be capable out past 1000 yards if I do my part. I also roll my own ammo and can taper my load to a particular environment and have the holdover data to be on target under varying conditions if necessary.

 

For self defense, I own a choice of several Glocks (with cheap plastic sights and a cheap plastic frames) and a dinky Remington 870 with a flashlight mounted on it. I trust my life with them because I have used the shit out of them personally and know their capability, reliability and ruggedness. I have also taken them down and modified some of them so if something simple breaks, I can fix the weapon myself rather than throwing it away or relying on someone else to fix an inoperable system.

 

My Saiga 12's are capable of spitting out over 25 ounces of lead in less than 5 seconds which makes me happy, but I don't need that much firepower to effectively defend my home from an invader. If the SHTF, then I still wouldn't use them as my primary choice because they are too big and ammo is too heavy to carry enough to get the fuck out of town.

 

My other weapons and suppressors that I own will probably fill in the voids where the aforementioned weapons don't work the best. One of my .22's should be small and light enough that I can put food on my table and keep heads down if I ever have to and if the heavy recoil breaks the optics, then I have a secondary sighting system called iron sights.

 

But if by putting a cheaper rail cover on my rifle that does just that - covers my rail, then I am somehow an idiot in others' minds, then I am comfortable enough in my skin to take the ridicule and save $30 with the exact same utility until they vaporize magically when I really need my rails covered. By having a grip that makes a rifle easier to carry and hold for extended periods of time breaks because I am forced to throw it off a 10 story building, then I will hope the rifle survives and suck up the lack of ergonomic comfort. If my sights lose zero or shatter into a million pieces, I will use the muscle memory from the thousands of rounds of instinct shooting to aim the rifle/pistol/shotgun and follow the impact splashes until the rounds finally hit my target. Or I can just use the barrel with my right eye as the reference point and again follow the splashes until the round hits my target. After the first 5 rounds, I will have a good idea of how much to hold over for future shots.

 

I am the weakest part of any weapons system if by my ignorance, inability or error. Those are the things that I am focused on and the saved money on certain airsoft parts can allow me to put more money in ammo, tools, parts and trips to the range.

 

Those that think I am dumb for doing this are welcome to donate their extra money or "quality" parts to make my weapon collection up to their standard.

Oh I think I've donated quite a few parts to the good folks here in the Saiga world, hell I'd even go as far as to say I've donated about as many $100 to $250 parts as there are post in this thread! Using rubber ladders, is not the same, as using pods, rails, or any other mountable device that have been designed to take the ballistic hammering they do. Just implying it's OK to use components that are designed for toys is just beyond common sense. I've been poor most of my life, and guess what I learned from that, you don't get everything nice up front, you work for it, and it takes time to buy nice things, things that are worth buying. Your weapon is and investment, and those putting airsoft on their real estate, are slumming. Fact is, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Are you willing to reach deep in those pockets, which should be full from all the money your saving, right! And pay for someones injuries cause by your bad advice in using an inferior designed product, designed for a toy, not a tool, not a real weapon. I'm sure you could chuck up one of those plastic drill that come with a kiddy tool set and drill through a piece of wood, if you really wanted to, if you were motivated enough, but it could snap off and shoot right through your fucking eye, boy how dumb ass would a person feel then?

P.S.

I am in no way suggesting that someone try drilling through wood with a toy drill bit.

But think of all the money we would save if it worked.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

A firearm may be an investment to you.

A firearm may be the tool you use to defend your life from enemies foreign and domestic.

A firearm may be the tool you use to feed your family.

 

But A firearm may also be a fun recreational device that you take out have an entertaining weekend or you accessorize it to make it look cool or like something in a movie to hang up on your wall. The majority of my firearms fall into this category and I don't have a problem saving a few dollars if I want to see if I like the feel of a Grip Pod for $7 instead of $120. I found out I don't and wouldn't use the $120 version if you gave it to me!

 

Cameron, I think you have amazing top-tier products and I have stood up for you on several threads on this forum where people put Chaos down (and I will continue to do so because you are an upstanding guy). But not everyone needs a quad-rail for their shotgun or rifle to hang a bunch of stuff off of... And that stuff may be Chinese made airsoft sights, lasers, optics, flashlights, grips or bipods. If it makes people happy because they get a cool looking shotgun to post in the pictures forum, then I don't see the harm in that. If they are taking their airsoft accessories to fight and see actual combat use with the rebels in Libya, I would also try to steer them into other options since most of that shit (even the real "quality" stuff) will slow you down rather than provide any tangible benefits (i.e. PorkyPine )!

If anyone directly dies from my posts reviewing a particular product like UTG sights or ladder rail covers, then they deserve to be the fuck out of the gene pool!

Edited April 26, 2011 by BuffetDestroyer

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

I dunno, your statement about women is arguable too.

As my dirty Uncle Ed used to tell me, "With the lights off, they all feel the same!"

 

He also said it was true love if you would be willing to drink a woman's bathwater!

[corbin 621]

I was given a box full of various stuff a couple years back. Mostly things like scope mounts, rings, a couple vertical grips and a red dot scope (not even marked by manufacturer). I knew the guy that had them was a serious hunter, but some of the parts were from his son, who I later found out was into airsoft.

 

I used one of the scope rings to hold a surefire light on my 870. Still works, however the threaded hole stripped out after firing around 100 shots and I had to replace the screw with a longer one and use a nut. I suspect the ring material (aluminum) was inferior and probably meant for airsoft, not the recoil of a 12 ga. I'll eventually change it out.

 

The red dot is still on my 10/22 and works just fine. I wouldn't try it on anything with significant recoil though, since I don't know much about it.

 

One of the vert grips I put on my Saiga 12 when I first got it. I added a Tapco rail to the stock forend and secured the KAC grip to it. It uses a threaded center to turn a stud up into the rail's slot and secure it from sliding around:

 

 

 

I found out later the grip was a chinese copy my friend's son used for airsoft. The plastic stud sheared off after a few shots, leaving the grip able to slide off the rail. So what did I do? I cut off the center plug inside the grip and ran a steel bolt down the top of the forearm and through the grip. I secured it inside with a washer, lock washer and couple nuts. While I was in there, I ran steel screws to the rail as well. Probably overkill, but it doesn't move now.

 

 

I don't even use that forearm now. I might if I get another S12. We'll see.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

Corbin, I had a ProMag grip (sponsor of the forum) that was U.S. made with a lifetime warranty that looked like that and did the same thing on my Saiga 12. From the experience, I learned that I need the cross bolt on future fore-grip purchases and the cost of shipping and hassle wasn't worth getting another grip that would do the same thing through their lifetime warranty. I also made a conclusion about future Pro Mag purchases after first-hand experience with an SKS magazine that didn't work.

 

I think your ingenuity in rectifying your gear's issues again proves my point about the weakest part of a weapons system is the user. Even the best stuff can break and it is up to you to make it work under adverse circumstances.