20nickels 21 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I voted Autoplug, though I don't shoot 3" regularly. Tac47 recommends against Magnums for the autoplug. It would be cool to see some range tests done with 3" and the Autoplug. I was sold on the autoplug till I read that. I wanna shoot whatever, whenever, however, no if's and's but's or exceptions. Looks like I need to find a different plug. That's why I'd like to see actual range tests like carrier/rear block contact or further explanation from TAC47. It would not be the 1st time something was used outside of it's intended parameters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I voted Autoplug, though I don't shoot 3" regularly. Tac47 recommends against Magnums for the autoplug. It would be cool to see some range tests done with 3" and the Autoplug. I was sold on the autoplug till I read that. I wanna shoot whatever, whenever, however, no if's and's but's or exceptions. Looks like I need to find a different plug. That's why I'd like to see actual range tests like carrier/rear block contact or further explanation from TAC47. It would not be the 1st time something was used outside of it's intended parameters. I hear ya. I'd buy one if I knew straight from TAC47 that I actually can use 3 inch shells regularly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewfus53 0 Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I voted Autoplug, though I don't shoot 3" regularly. Tac47 recommends against Magnums for the autoplug. It would be cool to see some range tests done with 3" and the Autoplug. I was sold on the autoplug till I read that. I wanna shoot whatever, whenever, however, no if's and's but's or exceptions. Looks like I need to find a different plug. That's why I'd like to see actual range tests like carrier/rear block contact or further explanation from TAC47. It would not be the 1st time something was used outside of it's intended parameters. I hear ya. I'd buy one if I knew straight from TAC47 that I actually can use 3 inch shells regularly. Yea, I was just thinking the same exact thing. I was just getting read to put in an order for one, until I read all that. Hopefully someone will post the answer or results of any range tests with the autoplug, or maybe tac47 themselves will come forward and say whether or not its safe to shoot the magnums. If not, Theres always the v-plug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Birdis already has a video on youtube comparing the vplug, stock plug, and auto plug when shooting various loads. IIRC, the auto plug did fine with the 3" stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewfus53 0 Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 link to the video? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Link please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vtec16 0 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hands down, AUTOPLUG!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Here's the video of the autoplug being tested back in the day with a mixed mag of low brass, high brass and turkey shot. I haven't used any plug since, over 1000 rounds since last year and the plug has only needed a minor turn on two different occasions. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Here's the video of the autoplug being tested back in the day with a mixed mag of low brass, high brass and turkey shot. I haven't used any plug since, over 1000 rounds since last year and the plug has only needed a minor turn on two different occasions. Z In this video, I would have liked to seen you follow up with the same test on a stock plug on setting 2. I could set my factory plug to 2, and shoot everything 100% and call it an auto-plug. It seems to me that, theoretically, with an auto plug, all the shells, regardless of their power level, show be ejecting with relatively the same distance and force. In all the tac47 videos I've seen posted on Youtube, this video included, the magnum loads come absolutely blazing out and the birdshot just dribbles out. In no way am I bashing the product, but from the videos I've seen, I'm not convinced the product works exactly as advertised. Simply shooting various loads and claiming the product "works" isn't enough for me. But trust me, I'd love to have a set-it-and-forget-it plug. In fact, I just made a post earlier today about how much trouble I have adjusting my gas plug when my gas block/plug gets very hot and fouled up. It would save a lot of troubles. Everything is a compromise I suppose....well, until we get our hands on the ver. 030 Edited May 12, 2011 by TwentyNizzo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Remember this video wasn't a scientific test video, it was a demonstration of the plug in action around the time it was released on the market. By itself it's not intended to prove anything, but I like the plug and I like the video. I don't think it's realistic to expect the shells to land in a neat little circle, they won't do that on any manual plug due to variations in each manufacturer, differences inside of each brand etc. I don't know why the autoplug is supposed to do that when no other plug does it...remember it's just an overpressure valve that pops when too much gas hits it, it's not a fuel injected electronically controlled gas regulator. I'm not an engineer and I didn't design the plug, I'm just the guy pulling the trigger. It's been debated to death since it came out and all I know as an end user is that it works as advertised. You can shoot all kinds of brass without changing settings, that's what it does and that IS what is advertised. It's not advertised as being a magical device, it doesn't help undergassed guns and it's probably not a good idea to shoot 3" magnums through it according to Tac47. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewfus53 0 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Well if tac47 themselves recommend not shooting magnums with the plug,then thats a deal breaker for me im afraid. Why should I have to change out plugs just to be able to shoot 3"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoughRider666 47 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Well if tac47 themselves recommend not shooting magnums with the plug,then thats a deal breaker for me im afraid. Why should I have to change out plugs just to be able to shoot 3"? From what I have experienced with 3" from my S-12 is they kick like a frickin mule! If my shoulder hurts from feeling the recoil from the stock, then think about how hard the bolt carrier is hitting the back of the receiver and trunnion and what kind of damage could cause to the gun in the long term? Stay with 2-3/4" save you're 3" for the Pumps... just my two cents. Edited May 13, 2011 by RoughRider666 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 From what I have experienced with 3" from my S-12 is they kick like a frickin mule! If my shoulder hurts from feeling the recoil from the stock, then think about how hard the bolt carrier is hitting the back of the receiver and trunnion and what kind of damage could cause to the gun in the long term? Stay with 2-3/4" save you're 3" for the Pumps... just my two cents. I'm confused by this statement... The gas system on a saiga takes some of the recoil, as opposed to a pump... Why save the 3" for a pump? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 The gun says 12x76 on the side for a reason. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky 2 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I have had my auto plug for a while now. Don't shoot any 3" stuff, so that doesn't hamper me at all. It is very nice to not have to stop and adjust from #6 shot to 00. I also believe there's something about 2 3/4" slugs being a no-no. Haven't had to readjust yet. Also my gun is gassed well too, never really had a problem before the auto plug, just got it for convenience. Either or would be a good choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erwos 12 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Slugs aren't an issue; the manual just makes mention of 3" loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drewfus53 0 Posted May 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I sure hope your right. If the damn thing cant even take 2 3/4 slugs, what a piece of shit for 45 bucks. I can understand the 3" stuff but regular slugs? fuck that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I sure hope your right. If the damn thing cant even take 2 3/4 slugs, what a piece of shit for 45 bucks. I can understand the 3" stuff but regular slugs? fuck that. Don't jump to conclusions. There's nothing about the autoplug that says you can't shoot 2 3/4. It shoots slugs, bird shot and buckshot just fine, but 3" magnum is not recommended. Z 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StudentDeSaiga 2 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So its no to all 3 inchers? or no to just 3inch magnums? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
20nickels 21 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So its no to all 3 inchers? or no to just 3inch magnums? I'm certain it's the average pressure of the 3" cartridge that they are referring to not the length of the cartridge itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 What about the gun fixer plug from CSS? I think it's pretty simple and easy to use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So its no to all 3 inchers? or no to just 3inch magnums? I thought that all 3" inch shells WERE magnums and people just say magnum to be redundant... ...like saying ATM machine... ...PIN number... ...or typing 3" inch... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StudentDeSaiga 2 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So its no to all 3 inchers? or no to just 3inch magnums? I thought that all 3" inch shells WERE magnums and people just say magnum to be redundant... oh..... Well...still going with autoplug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 So its no to all 3 inchers? or no to just 3inch magnums? I thought that all 3" inch shells WERE magnums and people just say magnum to be redundant... oh..... Well...still going with autoplug I think I will be as well with this new S-12 project that I'm building... (Don't worry, Mike, I'll still be buying a V-plug as a contingency plan if the autoplug doesn't work the way I'd like it to.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guns Are Great 140 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) choose the v-plug based on mike's rep, plug looks great, and price, but man I want one of those autoplugs! The idea behind the autoplug is fantastic! Edited May 20, 2011 by Guns Are Great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
v8rx7guy 9 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I was told by someone on the forum that by putting the Tromix Monster brake onto my saiga s12 that it will need some gas work done porting the holes out more ect i was just wondering if the auto plug works good with a tromix monster brake or should i go with the v plug or just keep it stock open to suggestions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erwos 12 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Plugs aren't going to help you with undergassing issues. Edited May 20, 2011 by erwos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper14.5 84 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 I was told by someone on the forum that by putting the Tromix Monster brake onto my saiga s12 that it will need some gas work done porting the holes out more ect i was just wondering if the auto plug works good with a tromix monster brake or should i go with the v plug or just keep it stock open to suggestions. The monster brake will not affect ANYTHING. aside from recoil and muzzleclimb. You will not have to adjust your gas system. The autoplug will be fine with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 After some hesitation I ordered my auto plug today for my first Saiga build. Figured sacrificing 3" shells usage over adjusting the plug between mag's was a fair compromise. When I do my SBS build later this year I can see me going v-plug so I can run big nasty stuff through it, but a 2 3/4" slug will kill something just as dead as a 3" slug so.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 After some hesitation I ordered my auto plug today for my first Saiga build. Figured sacrificing 3" shells usage over adjusting the plug between mag's was a fair compromise. When I do my SBS build later this year I can see me going v-plug so I can run big nasty stuff through it, but a 2 3/4" slug will kill something just as dead as a 3" slug so.... No comparison between the 2.75 and 3" slugs IMO. The 3" slugs pack a much bigger wallop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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