Makc 64 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Ladies and Gentlemen, I am honored to present for your viewing pleasure a few photos the newest member of the European family of shotguns to become available for purchase in the USA very very shortly, manufactured by a Turkish company AKDAL ARMS, MKA-1919. These shotguns are imported by the company that has our trust and well-deserved respect after the years of delivering our favorite Saiga shotguns to the American gun community and the great customer service they provide – Russian American Armory Company (RAAC). I am sure that over the coming weekend we will get a lot more photos and videos form the vendors of our forum that are receiving these shotguns for the final stages of testing before the official release. Vendors of our forum, as well as Saiga-12.com E-Store, will be offering a variety of services and accessories for this new unique shotgun as well! YES! It is as 12-gauge shotgun!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) I'm just going to wait patiently and eat junk food until more is out on this. Prices, reliability, ease of modification (Furniture), larger mags, ergonomics and handling all lead to so many questions. Edited May 14, 2011 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I want one now......I can only guess how much the price will go up when all the up grades hit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Good to see Saiga 12's very own and very lovely "Admin girl" model with the weapon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 So what kind of time frame are we looking at? Thay say stuff will be available at Saiga-12.com..... What stuff? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 What is the capacity of the mag shown? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Mag is five (5) rounds, total gun capacity is 5 + 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 That magazine is goofy looking.. I'd like to see more pictures of it from the other side and disassembled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icarus 3 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Looks like the stock, grip, & lower receiver are all one piece? If so then alot of after market AR parts won't be compatible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Looks like the stock, grip, & lower receiver are all one piece? If so then alot of after market AR parts won't be compatible. Agreed, and it looks all polymer? Wtf. What's the point if it's not compatible with AR15 parts. Nothing compares with the S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Looks like Mike D. has another drum to get on top of! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 That magazine is goofy looking.. I'd like to see more pictures of it from the other side and disassembled. Buy one and make some new mags for it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RS12 7 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Interesting. You obviously have handled them, how do they feel? More importantly how do they shoot? I always like personal testimonial from someone introducing a new product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) Yeah I'm not one for the big long stock where my left arm is all hangin way out to grab the foregrip and muscle fatigue is setting in on a long day at the range. I agree, definitely needs to be compatible with AR furnature. I want my CAR stock. Edit: Oh and btw It also needs a Weaver flat top upper receiver for those of us that can live without the carry handle. Edited May 14, 2011 by ShadowFire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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kindapointless 22 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I know there is a RIFLED BARREL for this critter gimme an hour and I will make another stock fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Yeah I'm not one for the big long stock where my left arm is all hangin way out to grab the foregrip and muscle fatigue is setting in on a long day at the range. I agree, definitely needs to be compatible with AR furnature. I want my CAR stock. Edit: Oh and btw It also needs a Weaver flat top upper receiver for those of us that can live without the carry handle. It is a flat top with a removable carry handle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Yeah I'm not one for the big long stock where my left arm is all hangin way out to grab the foregrip and muscle fatigue is setting in on a long day at the range. I agree, definitely needs to be compatible with AR furnature. I want my CAR stock. Edit: Oh and btw It also needs a Weaver flat top upper receiver for those of us that can live without the carry handle. It is a flat top with a removable carry handle Nice. Now all it needs is a CAR stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supertex 242 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) the turks don`t drink vodka, do they ? Edited May 14, 2011 by ak karl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirt Diver 0 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I love that woodland look. Great to see yet another 12 ga. choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I already have an idea on how to do the stock and pistol grip all I need is one to laser apart . When is the public release date and who are the authorized retailers going to be? My boss already gave me the okay to use the cool toys to fix him one up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Give me a LOW price and a HIGH cap mag and we might be in business..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 You guys need to remember, when the Saiga-12 first came out, there were NO accessories for it either. What made it even worse, was the demand for the shotgun was extremely low as well, so no one was going to step up and run off a bunch of CNC parts for the S-12 that would takes years to sell. I had to hand make (one-off) all of the parts for the first conversions. When demand picked up a bit, I CNC'd 100 pieces of the Tromix shark brake. It was the ONLY aftermarket muzzle device available at the time. I sold 20 of them. That was it boys. The other 80 pieces sat in my shop for over a year. I thought I would never sell them. I think this gun is a bit different. Of course we are starting from ground zero with no accessories just like the S-12, but this gun is going to get a jump start on the heels of the S-12. It won't take so long to get shit rolling with this gun. Tony Rumore Tromix 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) Tony, didn't you say you had one on its way to you? Got it yet? ETA: It was Mike Davidson. On another site, I heard some European owners saying that it needs high brass to function as is. Can't wait for some US reviews. Edited May 14, 2011 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 A mag fed shotgun for the AR guys. This just about blows the lid off all the myths about the Saiga being banned and declared as a DD by the ATF. I doubt RAA would get into business on a new gun that will be banned. So this is good news for everyone. Hopefully this will spawn greater interest in mag fed shotguns such that other manufacturers will jump in the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 A rifled barrel would be nice, but I just can't get into the AR styling. the turks don`t drink vodka, do they ? Nope, they drink Raki. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 We expect to start T&E on one of the shotguns next week and do not expect to see them for sale for a few more months .No prices have been set at this time but the rumor was they would be in the $700 ish range again this is not a official price but we should have firm prices in a few weeks . Tony is correct on the aftermarket parts it can cost $30 thousand for a plastic mold for mags so the investors need to make sure their is a large enough market for the shotguns & mags to warrent the investment. Their are already a few well known companys looking at the aftermarket goodies so the future looks very bright . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parson Julabee Jones 32 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 If I'm seeing correctly, this gun will address the singular issue where, in my mind, the AR is superior to the AK platform. And that's in the differences between troublesome 'Rock and Lock' and "Put it in there and hit it with the palm of the hand". And I guess aftermarket magwells handle that issue anyway. So, for my part? I'll keep the AK (well, maybe just one for thoroughness). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thanx for the info.I hope close to 700. means 649. LOL. But still can't see why Saiga started at 249. and the AKM is around 700. It would be nice for the first batch to be 450-500. I can understand the reasons why it would be spendy in these tuff times. But still a rock bottom price would get the markets flowing faster for all. At 700 ish one would opt for a 1st or even 2nd S12. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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