kresk 10,063 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thanx for the info.I hope close to 700. means 649. LOL. But still can't see why Saiga started at 249. and the AKM is around 700. It would be nice for the first batch to be 450-500. I can understand the reasons why it would be spendy in these tuff times. But still a rock bottom price would get the markets flowing faster for all. At 700 ish one would opt for a 1st or even 2nd S12. When I was a kid you could buy a pickup truck for $1200, gas was 30 cents a gallon, a pack of gum was 5 cents, etc. The US dollar is backed by nothing more than wishful thinking. Fuel (therefore transportation) costs are up. The Russians want more profit. Plenty of reasons everything costs more now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I can assure you the shotguns will not be $450 or $500 the US dollar is week and any imports will cost more than they did in the past .Hopefully the price will be lower rather than higher but will know more in a few weeks when the official price is nailed down with the importer .We are just happy to see another cool option for the mag fed 12 guage shotguns . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
s8lorenzo 0 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I can assure you the shotguns will not be $450 or $500 the US dollar is week and any imports will cost more than they did in the past .Hopefully the price will be lower rather than higher but will know more in a few weeks when the official price is nailed down with the importer .We are just happy to see another cool option for the mag fed 12 guage shotguns . Glad to hear you guys over at Atlantic are considering to add this to your inventory,I have done business with you guys in the past and will gladly do so again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) I don't dislike the AR design so much as I dislike the 5.56x45 round. So, these new Turkey guns are intriguing. If they MSRP for ~$700 that's not bad considering the current state of our economy. No conversion necessary here, either. It's kind of sad that a foreign manufacturer is bringing this to market before a US one; especially considering it's styled after the AR platform. Anyway, another semi-auto shotgun that uses removal mags becoming available is a great thing! Edited May 15, 2011 by post-apocalyptic 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PRISONSHANK 70 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 It's kind of sad that a foreign manufacturer is bringing this to market before a US one; especially considering it's styled after the AR platform. Couldn't have said it better myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Yes it would be nice to have a US made gun like this providing jobs for US workers ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) I understand why they would cost more.... the diff between a 1200 truck and the price of one today is 40 yrs. 8 yrs is the diff between a 250. S12 and to days 700. I'm betting thay get imported for 400.ea Sold to distrib. for 600. And sold to us for 749.99. I'm not bichen about it....just saying how many shotguns could Turkey sell if thay dident have the US market? Lets see......china.....0....canada..0.. mexico....0......russia.....0..... Edited May 15, 2011 by FORKLIFT352 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Interesting, why is the spring in front of the piston though? Good to have another option, and it's great news as far as any potential ban- the more commonplace these things are the more difficult it will be to tell people the goverments stealing them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) the turks don`t drink vodka, do they ? Edit: Nevermind, someone already commented on the Raki. Edited May 16, 2011 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Turkish shotguns in general do not overall enjoy a very positive reputation, in my circles anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 OK, a 7.25 pound gas-operated AR shaped shotgun so the competition guys will all switch to open class. Does it have a real last round bolt hold, adjustable gas system or does it share any parts in common with the AR-15? I believe I read on another forum that AKDAL was going to eventually open a factory in the U.S. to avoid Customs issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Desolo 55 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Looks like things are getting interesting in the world of shotguns as of late.... At least detachable box mags on shotguns are starting to really take off then, only took 100 years or so to get past tubes (Nothing wrong with them, just never understood why they didnt start working with boxes when every other class of firearms was giving it a try) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I wonder which actual parts are US made.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 my question is this. Do you have to clean it after every mag so it functions? and does it stop functioning if you look at dirt? Rather have a Saiga........even tho i dont own a Saiga 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 We need 2 or 3 more manufacturs for some comp. That would drive the price down. 700.+ for AKM......700.+ Saiga....= no comp. I want a AKM but I'll let them sit on them till thay get a competitive price. 700.+ will buy a butt load of ammo as well as a few guns on my short list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marrok857 51 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 We need 2 or 3 more manufacturs for some comp. That would drive the price down. 700.+ for AKM......700.+ Saiga....= no comp. I want a AKM but I'll let them sit on them till thay get a competitive price. 700.+ will buy a butt load of ammo as well as a few guns on my short list. $700 can get you a few mosin nagants and a good amount of ammo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Ya, or a PMR-30 and ammo for weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 There are all those 922r issues to deal with as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I wunder where it would fall with 922r? If you add a USA mag then what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 It's unfortunate that the lower receiver isn't the same as the AR design. It would probably sell better if you could fit AR buttstocks onto it. If it's the same cost as a Saiga, I think I will buy the Saiga-12 instead. We know where S12s break and there's a lot more parts available. @Tritium: I think your buddies are smoking something they need to share. When H&K bought new machinery, they sold the old stuff to a factory in Turkey, along with production rights. The Turks make good stuff, it's just that very little of it was importable (all mil-spec stuff!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 There are all those 922r issues to deal with as well. i wanna know what it is..... m16 parts? handguard? i cant see much else, if thats the deal.... how is this gun importable with a pistol grip? seriously. i want parts and specs. Im sure its cool, but i really want to hear what Clyde has to say about the parts specs...... what parts are made in USA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 This is just a guess here and I hope it is not true, but maybe because the stock and pistol grip are one piece that is how it is importable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) naw, its a detachable magazine , semi auto shotgun, with a pistol grip. is it because they have never made a magazine over five rounds for it? thatd be SLICK as shit LOL.....seriously....that would.... a giant UNF to the man, on that one.... id buy one. I think this one is a home run, out of the gate, either way.....thanks Turkey, thanks Clyde and Co. ! Edited May 18, 2011 by Ben Vampatella Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 So why can this be imported with a pistol grip and Saiga 12's cant? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 So why can this be imported with a pistol grip and Saiga 12's cant? This is just a guess here and I hope it is not true, but maybe because the stock and pistol grip are one piece that is how it is importable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 So why can this be imported with a pistol grip and Saiga 12's cant? Maybe now they can? The "study" said pistol grips are sporting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Thanx for the info.I hope close to 700. means 649. LOL. But still can't see why Saiga started at 249. and the AKM is around 700. It would be nice for the first batch to be 450-500. I can understand the reasons why it would be spendy in these tuff times. But still a rock bottom price would get the markets flowing faster for all. At 700 ish one would opt for a 1st or even 2nd S12. When I was a kid you could buy a pickup truck for $1200, gas was 30 cents a gallon, a pack of gum was 5 cents, etc. The US dollar is backed by nothing more than wishful thinking. Fuel (therefore transportation) costs are up. The Russians want more profit. Plenty of reasons everything costs more now. i bought a pick up truck with a/c and power steering and heater for $700 2 years ago and its pulled my racecar thousands of miles and has never broken once so you can still get a good cheap pick up truck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaKen 338 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Does nothing for me.....I'll stick with my Saiga's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) how is this gun importable with a pistol grip? because a 5 round mag and pistol grip on shotties are sporting. hopefully saiga's will be able to be imported with grips attached after the atf study is finished. i think the akdal is an interesting design. i understand why a lot of it had to be changed from a regular AR sizing. a 223 to a 12g. yeah, thats a bit of a size difference. probably why so much is not compatible. are the mags metal? Edited May 19, 2011 by GregM1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 how is this gun importable with a pistol grip? because a 5 round mag and pistol grip on shotties are sporting. hopefully saiga's will be able to be imported with grips attached after the atf study is finished. i think the akdal is an interesting design. i understand why a lot of it had to be changed from a regular AR sizing. a 223 to a 12g. yeah, thats a bit of a size difference. probably why so much is not compatible. are the mags metal? From the looks of this pic, yes. You need different mags for 3in and 2-3/4in shells? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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