baraban7.62 20 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 does anyone have or have ever seen a saiga 5.45 with a Y stamp? if so what year is it manufactured? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 there was some 762x39 Saigas back in 2006-2007 that had the infamous Y stamped into them.. promptly listed on the ATF website for TURN-IN.. NoDak makes 545 and 762 receivers with Y stamps on them (I think) and can also have the Cyrillic lettering on the safety/selector lettering.. You may find some other makes.. but I know of ZERO 545 Saigas with the Y. Al Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Why were they listed on the ATF site to be turned in? Y stamps are perfectly legal on many rifles that have them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
incognito485 26 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Arsenal rifles have them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I am referring to the EXTRA 'Y' where the auto-sear pin would go thru. back in 06-2007 RAA imported some models that had the Y ready to go.. hence the ATF recall on them.. Can't find the links right now.. but they were a HOT item back in 06-07. Al Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I am referring to the EXTRA 'Y' where the auto-sear pin would go thru. back in 06-2007 RAA imported some models that had the Y ready to go.. hence the ATF recall on them.. Can't find the links right now.. but they were a HOT item back in 06-07. Al Yeah, but that's exactly what I mean. There are plenty of other stamped AK type rifles with the extra Y stamp all over the country that the ATF hasn't said a word about. So why were these Saiga's targeted? Not that I'm saying the ATF hasn't ever done shit that makes no sense, but I just wonder why this particular rifle, and not any of the numerous other manufacturers who left the Y stamp without drilling the hole and the ATF had no issues with. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I dont think they actually are...i know ppl with y stamp saigas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PoisonYouth 4 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 My 09 5.45 has a Y stamp. Hope it helps! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 My 09 5.45 has a Y stamp. Hope it helps! We are takking about the EXTRA Y stamp. I would bet money yours doesnt have it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 My 09 5.45 has a Y stamp. Hope it helps! can you please post a pic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PoisonYouth 4 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) My 09 5.45 has a Y stamp. Hope it helps! can you please post a pic? didn't realize you were talking about an extra y stamp... mine is on the hammer bar if I can remember correctly. Sorry man, looks like your question has been answered by the other guy. 2006-2007? Edited May 16, 2011 by PoisonYouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 This is the Y stamp on my WASR. As far as I know, every single Romanian rifle ever made has the Y stamp, but the ATF has no problems with these... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutchV 2 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Looks for all the world like a drill guide - make a full auto just by drilling a hole right here -->. No wonder they're excited. It's their job to get excited about that sort of thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Looks for all the world like a drill guide - make a full auto just by drilling a hole right here -->. No wonder they're excited. It's their job to get excited about that sort of thing. But that's the issue. They aren't excited about it on every single Romanian AK that enters the country. They are only worried about the Russian ones. Not to mention that would make an awful guide for drilling the hole. The stamp is far to large to be a drill guide, the drill would walk all over inside that stamp. An adventurous person could be more accurate with a simple ruler than trying to use that stamp. You're also overlooking the fact that you would also need the rate reducer, an extra pin, the auto-sear, a new bolt carrier, and you'd also have to cut a section out of one of the rails inside the receiver. There is more to a full auto AK than just a hole in the receiver at a certain location. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutchV 2 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 A guy with a drill has probably heard of a center punch. And the other parts aren't hard to find. The point is that if the ATF doesn't like a feature, it's not the sort of thing you want to argue with them about. Unless you're filthy rich, of course. Those attorney fees will add up quick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) A guy with a drill has probably heard of a center punch. And the other parts aren't hard to find. The point is that if the ATF doesn't like a feature, it's not the sort of thing you want to argue with them about. Unless you're filthy rich, of course. Those attorney fees will add up quick. That still doesn't answer why Romanians are fine but Russians are not. Every single Romanian stamped receiver in the US, and all of those still coming in, have this stamp. The ATF does not mind it. Also a center punch will be necessary with or without this Y. If you wanted to do it, it would actually be easier to drill and layout the hole in a non-stamped receiver. EDIT: Upon further research, there isn't any issue with the stamp and never was. Some of the older Saiga's actually had the third hole there, and then the hole was sealed with a plug. These were the rifles that were affected. It had, and still does have nothing to do with the Y stamp. Same thing happened with some older Chinese AK's as well. Edited May 17, 2011 by L5K 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KC913 324 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) there was some 762x39 Saigas back in 2006-2007 that had the infamous Y stamped into them.. promptly listed on the ATF website for TURN-IN.. The issue wasn't with the Y stamp, it was because they had the evil 3rd hole from the factory and they were just pinned. I don't remember if they had the slot in the rail or just the hole, but I know the issue was with the hole and not just the Y stamp. Edit: L5K beat me to it. Edited May 17, 2011 by KC913 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JulianH 4 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 The Saigas that attracted ATF attention didn't just have the "Y stamp", they had the hole drilled. The F-Troop deemed them to be "machine guns", which is why they got their panties in a wad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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