PA Farmer 0 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I am a long time lurker and AK owner. I have two modified Saiga-12s, a MAC-90 an NMH-91, a SAR-1 and two SAR-2s. I sent a ugly e-mail to Izmash and RAA earlier this month. I indicated that there a a lot of unhappy US customers who bought guns and now have no factory support including parts. Izmash should not have allowed their product line to be subject to a gap in importers. I indicated that if they fail to supply mags, somone will reverse engineer the mags and may even make improvements to the design. It looks like Tony Rumore is working on such a mag. I received the following response to my e-mail today: Dear Sir, I want to introduce myself to you I will be awsnering the phone and the e-mails my name is Debbie. We are the new importers for the Izhmash Saiga line. We are in the process of setting our warehouse up and we were waiting for our license. We are expecting out first shipment to arrive end of August or somewhere around there. We are only selling to Distributors, so you would need to go to your closest Dealer and ask them if there Distributor is going to carry Saiga line and accessories or you can have your dealer tell there Distributor to contact us and let us know what they would like for us to bring in on one of our shipments. The address and phone #'s that you got off the internet are not correct,the new address and phone number and e-mail is as follows: Russian American Armory Company 677 S Cardinal Lane Scottsburg, IN 47170 Phone:1-812-752-2894 E-mail RAACAK@aol.com I am sorry that no one has answer you back in a timely manner, but we are now available to answer any questions that you may have. Please refer all your questions to the phone # and e-mail address above. We are also going to have a website which will be coming very soon. Thank you very much, Debbie Woods RAACAK@aol.com Russian American Armory Company Homer Van Fleet President (The above information is exactly what e-mail provided, typos and all). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Oh boy! I can see the light! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Yep, I have been talking to them for over a month now. They dont know what prices are going to be yet, and they dont know what is coming on the first shipment. Also, the opening buy for distributors is going to be 1000 guns. Yes, that is one THOUSAND. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Also, the opening buy for distributors is going to be 1000 guns. Yes, that is one THOUSAND. For a nationwide distributor like RSR, Acusport, Horton's, etc. (as opposed to a dealer), that's not really a big deal, especially if mixing and matching is allowed (ie 200 S-12, 300 S-7.62, etc.). What's important here is that it does look like there's a light at the end of this tunnel, and the new import company is hard at work trying to get product back in-country. And that's good news for everybody here! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mopeman 0 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'm still not getting my hopes up just yet. How many times have we heard that it will be "just a few months". I will be waiting to see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeadMonkey 0 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) There all ready here. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=6322 Edited June 30, 2005 by LeadMonkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stokstad 4 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) Edited June 30, 2005 by stokstad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 SKSMAN is not the new importer. RAA is the new importer and have the signed agreements with the Russians to back up that claim. I bet sksman doesn't have squat. Email them and ask them how many they have and what quantities they require you to purchase to become a dealer. I bet they give you some BS reason why they are not opening dealers, if they reply at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeadMonkey 0 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 SKSMAN is not the new importer but if you look around there back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stokstad 4 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 SKSMAN is not the new importer but if you look around there back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A more correct way of saying that is that they never left. The guns they are selling are not new imports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 MAKC, How about we offer Russian American Armory Company a subforum of their own here like AR-15.Com and AK-47.Net does for major gun companies. RAAC would have direct feedback from the target consumers they are trying to attract. We could offer suggestions (i.e. 8 rnd. mags.) and product reviews. Hopefully, this could get back to Izmash and more accessories could come available. RonSwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 MAKC, How about we offer Russian American Armory Company a subforum of their own here like AR-15.Com and AK-47.Net does for major gun companies. An interesting idea, but given that RAAC is strictly an importer and not a wholesaler or dealer, input from end users would be of minimal value. RAAC's direct customers, ie the national wholesalers, are the ones who are going to get listened to. Once RAAC gets its distribution chain set up, those folks are are the ones to whom we should direct our requests and suggestions. Plus, I daresay that RAAC's time is better spent doing their job getting Saiga-related product in-country, than answering the same silly questions (when will products be here, what's the pricing like, will 8-rounders be imported, etc etc) over and over on this forum. Plus, I suspect the... um... enthusiasm... of some of our members might be a bit off-putting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 The importer is the precise company we need input to. If they believe the Saiga 12 market is marginal they will give those shotguns low priority (as EAA did!) and we will see very few shotguns and hundreds of Saiga rifles. If we tell them what WE need and want a "middleman" won't re-interpret it. If we want 8 round magazines and different chokes then tell the people actually bringing the shotguns to America. Personally, I would buy the 12C SWAT model in a heartbeat ,but Acme Resellers could care less. Izmash and RAAC need to know what we want to buy. RonSwin MAKC, How about we offer Russian American Armory Company a subforum of their own here like AR-15.Com and AK-47.Net does for major gun companies. An interesting idea, but given that RAAC is strictly an importer and not a wholesaler or dealer, input from end users would be of minimal value. RAAC's direct customers, ie the national wholesalers, are the ones who are going to get listened to. Once RAAC gets its distribution chain set up, those folks are are the ones to whom we should direct our requests and suggestions. Plus, I daresay that RAAC's time is better spent doing their job getting Saiga-related product in-country, than answering the same silly questions (when will products be here, what's the pricing like, will 8-rounders be imported, etc etc) over and over on this forum. Plus, I suspect the... um... enthusiasm... of some of our members might be a bit off-putting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 If we tell them what WE need and want a "middleman" won't re-interpret it. If we want 8 round magazines and different chokes then tell the people actually bringing the shotguns to America. Personally, I would buy the 12C SWAT model in a heartbeat ,but Acme Resellers could care less. Izmash and RAAC need to know what we want to buy. Point taken, but if "Acme Resellers" isn't interested in selling the -12C SWAT because it's too "un-PC" or they simply don't know a market exists (because they haven't heard from us), what good would it do for RAAC to import them? Guess we need to work both ends of the chain... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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