baraban7.62 20 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 i just bought my saiga 5.45. i heard that some dont need the bullet guide installed, and some do, has anyone ever heard of that? if so share the experience please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I have also heard of people who feed fine from milsurp magazines without a bullet guide. My 5.45 would not feed reliably without one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 mine needed a BG. and for $20 from CSS.. you should order it.. IMHO. Al Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 It may work without one, but the original design calls for one. That's good enough for me, because I want my rifles to be as reliable as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 makes sence Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tStreets 1 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Lets just say you should experience a failure to feed once and a while and particularly the last round of the mag. I bought one and waited to experience a FTF to install it. I believe I went through 6-8 30 round mags before I had my first failure and after that I said one FTF was enough, installed a bullet guide. To build up your confidence, it was the first time I ever drill tapped anything. Not that hard to get 100% reliability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 well i already did a few 7.62 conversions, just heard that 5.45 doesn't need always Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Tapco mags run flawless in my round trunnion 5.45. Other mags from time to time, the last round fails to feed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 yeah... i already ordered the bullet guide, imma wait till the first failure to feed to install it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) I had 1 jam out of 100 rounds without a bullet guide while using milsurps. Made a bullet guide for it, and haven't had a jam since (about 300rds later). I had to make a bullet guide because the CSS round guide wasn't thick enough to lift the bullet. I ended up using it as a template and made one that was thicker. Runs like a champ now. Edited May 29, 2011 by W8lifter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wnycollector 4 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I just opened up my 5th tin of 7n6 without a single FTF or FTE using Bulgarian mags and no bullet guide in my Saiga. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 You should install one; prevents bullet setback from hitting the barrel shoulder and last round jams. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I have ran about 700 rounds through mine with no failures without a bg using bulgarian poly mags. It is a round trunion gun imported by legion. If I have any failures I will install one but untill then if it ain't broke don't fix it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 had to modify the S#$T out of the bullet guide that i got to accept the original 10 rounder, but it runs like a champ now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SergeK 15 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Did you guys without the bullet guide need to modify the magazines or rifle to make them fit? I can't get a straight answer on this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Did you guys without the bullet guide need to modify the magazines or rifle to make them fit? I can't get a straight answer on this. I only had to modify the bg, the mags fit in right away for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tStreets 1 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) I had to modify the sh%t outta my bullet guide, but that was I started to drill/tap without a proper punch. Basically I drilled too close to the barrel, causing me to widen the already drilled screw hole on the BG. Also, the BG was too high and I had to grind it down a few mM to allow the bolt to close properly and finish the paint job with high heat enamel Rust-o-leum. In essence, you should be somewhat prepared to modify the BG before you permanently put it onto your rifle. FYI, I had a dinzagarms round trunnion BG... No regrets choosing Dinzagarms BG and works amazingly once fitted right. Did you guys without the bullet guide need to modify the magazines or rifle to make them fit? I can't get a straight answer on this. I only had to modify the bg, the mags fit in right away for me Edited June 18, 2011 by WhoDat504 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lazaruslong 0 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Surplus mags run like a champ in my newly converted Saiga 5.45. No bullet guide installed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Surplus mags run like a champ in my newly converted Saiga 5.45. No bullet guide installed. Flat or round trunnion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I had pretty good luck feeding 7N6 w/o a bullet guide, commercial/HP stuff would choke occasionally. My vote is: "Do it anyway." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Did you guys without the bullet guide need to modify the magazines or rifle to make them fit? I can't get a straight answer on this. The factory 10 rounder has a built-in guide at the front. You need to file that down to match the surplus mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I have 15 magazines and only one of them malfunctions without a bullet guide and its always on the last round. That is unacceptable to me so I will be putting one in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lazaruslong 0 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Surplus mags run like a champ in my newly converted Saiga 5.45. No bullet guide installed. Flat or round trunnion? I have no idea. It's the newer import with PG nut hole, threads under the Saiga FSB and pre cut slots for the handguard in the barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toshbar 36 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I just opened up my 5th tin of 7n6 without a single FTF or FTE using Bulgarian mags and no bullet guide in my Saiga. Me too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toshbar 36 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I have no idea. It's the newer import with PG nut hole, threads under the Saiga FSB and pre cut slots for the handguard in the barrel. Your 5.45 barrel had threads under the shroud? I have a bunch of people telling me this is impossible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmac27 17 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Did you guys without the bullet guide need to modify the magazines or rifle to make them fit? I can't get a straight answer on this. I haven't modified my 5.45 yet and just for grins I tried running it with some surplus 30 rounders and it functioned flawlessly for 150 rounds and no bullet guide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mak 3 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Both of mine worked fine without the bullet guide but I installed CSS bullet guides. I have had to modify Dinzag BG's before so I went with the CSS guide kit which were less expensive and fit perfectly. I also get charged sales tax by dinzag because of location so that made a difference in my choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lazaruslong 0 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I have no idea. It's the newer import with PG nut hole, threads under the Saiga FSB and pre cut slots for the handguard in the barrel. Your 5.45 barrel had threads under the shroud? I have a bunch of people telling me this is impossible. I haven't cut it off yet to tell for sure but if you look at the muzzle closely it definitely appears that there are threads under it. I could have sworn I read some posts here where others had threaded tips on their 5.45 barrels? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Surplus mags run like a champ in my newly converted Saiga 5.45. No bullet guide installed. Flat or round trunnion? I have no idea. It's the newer import with PG nut hole, threads under the Saiga FSB and pre cut slots for the handguard in the barrel. Here is a pic of both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 A Saiga rifle without a bullet guide is crippled. Why allow your Saiga to have the reliability of an AR when for an extra $20 it can have the reliability of a Kalashnikov! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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