tofu1998 2 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I benched my SGL21 (based on Saiga 7.62x39) from 100 yards, with Tapco G2 FCG dropped in. 17 five-round groups are shot, the average "extreme distance" from center of bullet holes is 4.4 inches. The standard deviation among 17 groups is 1.3 inches. Also a 10-round group and a 20-round group are shot. The smallest group is 1.3MOA, largest 6.0MOA. Below are the detailed info of each group shot (in inches at 100 yards). Changed targets after every 4 or 5 groups, the barrel has time to cool down a little during this period. 5-rd: 4.4 5.7 5.2 3.8 2.8 5-rd: 4.1 3.3 1.8 4.6 5-rd: 6.0 4.8(10-rd) 5.9 4.2 3.4 20-rd: 4.5 5-rd: 5.8 3.1 1.3 3.1 The interesting and disturbing thing is, it seems accuracy is worse when the barrel is cooler, which means I can't trust my first shot if I ever take it to hunt. This sucks. What are the groups like with Saiga 7.62x39 rifles you guys have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tofu1998 2 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Oh, forgot to mention that I used a POSP 4x24 scope, which is solid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tofu1998 2 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Damn, I posted in the wrong sub-forum! Sorry guys.. You can delete this post if necessary... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sleepersilverado 3 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 wrong forum or not that sucks. i have two or those guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 That does suck, but you would still be hitting center mass and I only look at my Saiga .308 as a battle rifle anyway. My .308 isn't much, if any, more accurate than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Looks to me like its in the right spot... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 What ammo was used? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
atakacorp 147 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) \ this is my Saiga 21" zeroed my posp scope in 8 rounds,using cheep Wolf ammo. I like when people start to blame the gun, dont forget, its the guy behind the trigger that makes it accurate,I love my Saiga 21,I am ok with 1.5/2" groups if I want sub MOA groups I am shooting 308 or 300 winmag and for the hunting ,get a 308 and again it depends ,what are you hunting? I use my Saiga as a brush gun, for anything more then 100 yards I am using 308 PS if you can shoot 4" groups consistently at 100 yards you will get medium size game(pigs,deer) at 100 yards,just keep shooting ,you'll get less meat thou Edited June 8, 2011 by atakacorp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 4" at 100 yards means you can take deer at 200. It's not great accuracy, but it's certainly acceptable for hunting or SHTF. I have noticed some serious ammo variances with some rifles (and not just AK platforms), so the ammo you use makes an enormous difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashowdy 141 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 some of the other members have had better than average shooting with brown bear hp's. I am picking up 1000 here soon. Then off to the range to see how I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 4" at 100 yards means you can take deer at 200. It's not great accuracy, but it's certainly acceptable for hunting or SHTF. I have noticed some serious ammo variances with some rifles (and not just AK platforms), so the ammo you use makes an enormous difference. My saiga loves golden tiger FMJ for some reason for example... 4MOA wouldn't be suprising to me without testing a lot of different rounds. get a small box of a few different kinds and test them out. Its hardly scientific if you don't have something to hold these results up against. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 You never mentioned what ammo you're using. +1 on giving Golden Tiger a try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tofu1998 2 Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Thanks for the suggestions about different ammo. I used Brown Bear HP mainly, sometimes Golden Bear. Brown Bear is the cheapest (~$ .20/round no shipping fee) so I stock deep, and some reports show that they shoot well. Will try Golden Tiger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t3mac21 1 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 \ this is my Saiga 21" zeroed my posp scope in 8 rounds,using cheep Wolf ammo. I like when people start to blame the gun, dont forget, its the guy behind the trigger that makes it accurate,I love my Saiga 21,I am ok with 1.5/2" groups if I want sub MOA groups I am shooting 308 or 300 winmag and for the hunting ,get a 308 and again it depends ,what are you hunting? I use my Saiga as a brush gun, for anything more then 100 yards I am using 308 PS if you can shoot 4" groups consistently at 100 yards you will get medium size game(pigs,deer) at 100 yards,just keep shooting ,you'll get less meat thou your 8 shots are like a fucking foot apart, how the fuck do you get 1.5 out of that? Seriously? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 your 8 shots are like a fucking foot apart, how the fuck do you get 1.5 out of that? Seriously? The three shots in the middle were after his scope was set, the other 5 shots were used to set the scope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Atlantic is selling golden tiger at $209 per 1000 round case. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory143.aspx I've gotten 2 1/4" groups standing supported at 100 yards. My best groups thus far with my saiga. I'm sure if i kept trying I could get a crazy close group, but it would just be luck. I've gotten groups befor where 4 rounds were in a 1.5" group and theres one 2.5" off the group ruining everything. Still, keep in mind these numbers are all with production ammo, I'm very pleased with these numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) I find Golden Tiger to be one of the more accurate Russian brands, (the boat-tail helps), and it's lacquered, (rather than coated with polymer), making it very resistant to the elements. It's also usually the cheapest non-corrosive 7.62x39 available. Edited June 12, 2011 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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