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[Tom Cole]

The Widow Maker is a 12 ga Semi - Auto firearm based on the S-12 platform.
Hand built for each order, and finished in your choice of grey or black.
Mako or Tapco Saw grip Standard, your choice.
8 inch barrel threaded to accept all standard S--12 muzzle accessories.
5 barrel ports to ensure cycling with light loads or magnums.
The weapon transfers on a $5.00 Federal tax-stamp.
Outlaw Logo is laser engraved and may be personalized.
(for example "Wild Bill's Widow Maker)

$2895 Shipped to your class 3 dealer in the US.
$250 deposit to start the order. This deposit applies to you purchase price.

The pictured firearms are shown with the CA legal mag block.

Man-eating guard dog not included.

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[fromxtor]

Looks sweet Tom, is the mag release cover mandatory?

[Tom Cole]

Looks sweet Tom, is the mag release cover mandatory?

No it's just a CA thing............

[StarkIndustries]

That's awesome!

[big-J]

Beautiful work. How do those things handle with 00 buck? seems like youd have to hold ON TIGHT!

[Tom Cole]

Beautiful work. How do those things handle with 00 buck? seems like youd have to hold ON TIGHT!

I've had 44 Mags with more felt recoil.............And I can hit pie plates at 50 yds with slugs.

[Mikedril1]

That's just plain bad assed!!!

[sunnybean]

Those would look cool next to a mini Draco...

[poolingmyignorance]

Very fucking cool! Can somebody explain the diffrence between this and a SBS? Is it just the stock? or rather lack of?

[Tom Cole]

Very fucking cool! Can somebody explain the diffrence between this and a SBS? Is it just the stock? or rather lack of?

The AOW is built on a virgin receiver. No butt-stock has ever been installed.
If it ever had a stock it must be listed as a SBS.
Some states allow AOWs but not SBS shotguns.
This is the point behind this type of build.
If you live in a SBS state you're better off to just order a SBS.. ......saves time......
Unless you are planning on going to a AOW only state..............
And yes I can build the Widow Maker as a SBS...........DPH all metal stock and push button all metal hinge.
Same price ......This is because it takes less time to build a SBS on a S-12 action.

[foreign firearm fiend]

By "virgin" you mean just the receiver by itself correct? Where would I go to buy one of these virgin receivers? Do you sell them?

[Tom Cole]

By "virgin" you mean just the receiver by itself correct? Where would I go to buy one of these virgin receivers? Do you sell them?

I build each one. I am not offering these for sale.

[SuaSponte]

so theres are cali legal under AOW and I just pay the $5.00 stamp?

[KC913]

There have been claims on other forums that you are simply welding Saiga 12 receivers and trunnions and putting your own stamps on them for your AOW shotguns. Do you have any pics showing that you're actually manufacturing your own receivers or using new 1.5mm virgin receivers? I would just hate to be someone who paid nearly $3,000 for one, only to find out later that it's not "legit". I'm not saying you are, just looking for clarification.

[Mikedril1]

so theres are cali legal under AOW and I just pay the $5.00 stamp?

If you have a CLEO sign-off, corporation or a trust you can legally buy an AOW in Kalifornia.

[DogMan]

There have been claims on other forums that you are simply welding Saiga 12 receivers and trunnions and putting your own stamps on them for your AOW shotguns. Do you have any pics showing that you're actually manufacturing your own receivers or using new 1.5mm virgin receivers? I would just hate to be someone who paid nearly $3,000 for one, only to find out later that it's not "legit". I'm not saying you are, just looking for clarification.

[Tom Cole]

There have been claims on other forums that you are simply welding Saiga 12 receivers and trunnions and putting your own stamps on them for your AOW shotguns. Do you have any pics showing that you're actually manufacturing your own receivers or using new 1.5mm virgin receivers? I would just hate to be someone who paid nearly $3,000 for one, only to find out later that it's not "legit". I'm not saying you are, just looking for clarification.

Nice try................but no I'm not going to provide an further information.........

That's all there is to it, just weld up an ol s-12 an go..........be sure to let me know how that works out.

I think my lifetime warranty will cover any questions law enforcement / atf might have as far as legality on my builds.

[rjrivero]

Tom, How long does it take for you to make one of these bad boys?

[Tom Cole]

Tom, How long does it take for you to make one of these bad boys?

Did you ever find that donor gun ?...........

After the big shake-up at the NFA branch , the examiners have all been moved around, I expect my paperwork times to be cut quite a bit. (Looks like my old examiner is doing Wills area now.....LOL.......sorry Will)

I'm hoping to get into the 90 day range shortly, from order to ship date, but Hell, I've still got builds sitting here from months and months ago waiting on form 3s......

[Gunfixr]

I know (sort of) a local guy who has his 07/SOT, I only see him at gunshows,never been to his shop.
Anyway, last weekend I'm at the local show, he's there, with an AOW made from a SxS shotgun. It is clear that the stock has been cut into a pistol grip and refinished.
I ask him if he cut the stock down and shortened the barrels, he says yes, he did. I explain to him that since the gun left the factory with a stock on it, the gun cannot be legally an AOW, only an SBS.
He tells me he's done half a dozen of them, and ATF keeps approving them. I say, only because they don't know yet. He tells me he's going to keep on doing them.
He asks about SBSing a S12. He then tells me he's going to AOW an S12. I explained that you had already done the S20/S410, but not the S12, as you could use an AK receiver to make them. He says he's just going to cut one down and register it as an AOW.
I asked him to let me know how that turned out.
ATF may not realize his SxSs aren't virgin receivers, but I bet they'll be all over the S12.

[KC913]

There have been claims on other forums that you are simply welding Saiga 12 receivers and trunnions and putting your own stamps on them for your AOW shotguns. Do you have any pics showing that you're actually manufacturing your own receivers or using new 1.5mm virgin receivers? I would just hate to be someone who paid nearly $3,000 for one, only to find out later that it's not "legit". I'm not saying you are, just looking for clarification.

Nice try................but no I'm not going to provide an further information.........

That's all there is to it, just weld up an ol s-12 an go..........be sure to let me know how that works out.

I think my lifetime warranty will cover any questions law enforcement / atf might have as far as legality on my builds.

No need to be an asshole about it. I wasn't trying to be. Like Gunfixr said, there ARE folks who do exactly what I described and people who buy the firearms are none-the-wiser.

Edit: All I was asking for was a pic of the receiver before being finished or better yet maybe some better / detailed / close-up pics around the receiver. Don't see what the big deal is. Do you ask that everyone who buys your firearms not post any detailed pics of them?

Edited by KC913, 28 July 2011 - 09:04 PM.

[BlenderWizard]

He responded to you far more civilly than I would have if I had been him. You basically asked him to prove he wasn't committing a felony on each of these builds in a very accusatory tone.

There have been claims on other forums that you are simply welding Saiga 12 receivers and trunnions and putting your own stamps on them for your AOW shotguns. Do you have any pics showing that you're actually manufacturing your own receivers or using new 1.5mm virgin receivers? I would just hate to be someone who paid nearly $3,000 for one, only to find out later that it's not "legit". I'm not saying you are, just looking for clarification.

Nice try................but no I'm not going to provide an further information.........

That's all there is to it, just weld up an ol s-12 an go..........be sure to let me know how that works out.

I think my lifetime warranty will cover any questions law enforcement / atf might have as far as legality on my builds.

No need to be an asshole about it. I wasn't trying to be. Like Gunfixr said, there ARE folks who do exactly what I described and people who buy the firearms are none-the-wiser.

Edit: All I was asking for was a pic of the receiver before being finished or better yet maybe some better / detailed / close-up pics around the receiver. Don't see what the big deal is. Do you ask that everyone who buys your firearms not post any detailed pics of them?