Are new gun laws coming

[evergreenkid29 14]

I get a daliy email from the National Assoc. for gun rights. and the one today says that new gun laws are being started under the radar while everyone is busy with the ecomomy,resession,and all else thats going on. heres some of what is said. Can they really just go around the second amendment and do what they want???

 

 

...it's already begun.

 

As it turns out, Obama isn't even going to use (abuse?) his Executive Order powers.

 

At least not yet.

 

Apparently the Obama administration is going to start by directly going against the will of the people and enforce a policy -- through his power-abusing Justice Department -- that will force firearms dealers to report any and all "multiple sales" of rifles to private citizens.

 

That's right.

 

A de facto gun registration that puts law-abiding gun owners like you on a list without it even being considered by lawmakers.

 

No bills to be voted on by Congress.

 

No official Executive Order which could be viewed by the public.

 

Just flat-out mandating that the Justice Department enforce laws that aren't there.

 

And unconstitutional, to boot.

 

 

Obama’s massive anti-gun payoff is in the works.

 

I’ve been telling you since he took office that Obama was going to launch a MAJOR ATTACK on your gun rights.

 

Recently, Obama even admitted he was going to do it “under the radar”…

 

Well, according to reports coming straight out of the White House, the President is getting ready to unveil some serious “reform” to gun laws.

 

With his reelection campaign in full swing, Obama is getting ready to pay the anti-gun piper, and he’ll use any means necessary.

 

Obama and his anti-gun allies have their sights set on:

 

BANNING the private sales of ALL firearms between American citizens;

Ban certain types of hunting and self-defense ammunition that meet arbitrary conditions;

BAN standard magazines that hold more than 10 rounds;

 

AND; they might even shoot for one of their biggest goals: to ban semi-automatic rifles and all handguns.

They’re just waiting for the next crisis -- the next school shooting or public attack -- to exploit, so they can use the blood of innocents to grease the wheels of their anti-gun, anti-freedom agenda.

 

It’s certainly not gun owners, or no-compromise gun rights organizations like the National Association for Gun Rights. I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for an invite to THOSE meetings.

 

 

When the White House was asked how long before they acted on this issue, their response was, “not far in the future.”

What worries me is, with how sneaky Obama and his cronies are, most people won’t be aware of it until it AFTER it happens…

Edited July 16, 2011 by vermontmadman

[zenman223 460]

http://forum.saiga-1...irearms-buyers/

 

Its already being done.

Edited July 15, 2011 by big-J

[yakdung 2,926]

I get a daliy email from the National Assoc. for gun rights. and the one today says that new guns are being started under the radar while everyone is busy with the ecomomy,resession,and all else thats going on. heres some of what is said. Can they really just go around the second amendment and do what they want???

 

 

...it's already begun.

 

As it turns out, Obama isn't even going to use (abuse?) his Executive Order powers.

 

At least not yet.

 

Apparently the Obama administration is going to start by directly going against the will of the people and enforce a policy -- through his power-abusing Justice Department -- that will force firearms dealers to report any and all "multiple sales" of rifles to private citizens.

 

That's right.

 

A de facto gun registration that puts law-abiding gun owners like you on a list without it even being considered by lawmakers.

 

No bills to be voted on by Congress.

 

No official Executive Order which could be viewed by the public.

 

Just flat-out mandating that the Justice Department enforce laws that aren't there.

 

And unconstitutional, to boot.

 

 

Obama's massive anti-gun payoff is in the works.

 

I've been telling you since he took office that Obama was going to launch a MAJOR ATTACK on your gun rights.

 

Recently, Obama even admitted he was going to do it "under the radar"…

 

Well, according to reports coming straight out of the White House, the President is getting ready to unveil some serious "reform" to gun laws.

 

With his reelection campaign in full swing, Obama is getting ready to pay the anti-gun piper, and he'll use any means necessary.

 

Obama and his anti-gun allies have their sights set on:

 

BANNING the private sales of ALL firearms between American citizens;

Ban certain types of hunting and self-defense ammunition that meet arbitrary conditions;

BAN standard magazines that hold more than 10 rounds;

 

AND; they might even shoot for one of their biggest goals: to ban semi-automatic rifles and all handguns.

They're just waiting for the next crisis -- the next school shooting or public attack -- to exploit, so they can use the blood of innocents to grease the wheels of their anti-gun, anti-freedom agenda.

 

It's certainly not gun owners, or no-compromise gun rights organizations like the National Association for Gun Rights. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an invite to THOSE meetings.

 

 

When the White House was asked how long before they acted on this issue, their response was, "not far in the future."

What worries me is, with how sneaky Obama and his cronies are, most people won't be aware of it until it AFTER it happens…

 

Yep. Since Zero's gun smuggling operation backfired, he will not let a crisis go to waste:

 

http://townhall.com/...lation_tomorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSatZvqfIF4&feature=player_embedded#at=16

 

Yakdung

Edited July 15, 2011 by yakdung

[saltydecimator 482]

All we need is a new declaration of independence....its the only waaaaaaaaaay!

[saiga73 6]

It's bigger than just Obama:

 

 

NRA Delivers Remarks at U.N.

Concerning Proposed Arms Trade Treaty

National Rifle Association's Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre addressed the United Nations this afternoon. He told the U.N. to not interfere with the Second Amendment freedoms of Americans and pledged to continue the fight to preserve civilian ownership of firearms in the U.S. He said the NRA will oppose any U.N. provision that seeks to prohibit or regulate U.S. civilian firearm ownership. LaPierre said in his remarks, "The cornerstone of our freedom is the Second Amendment. Neither the United Nations, nor any other foreign influence, has the authority to meddle with the freedoms guaranteed by our Bill of Rights, endowed by our Creator, and due to all humankind."

 

United Nations Arms Trade Treaty

 

Preparatory Committee - 3d Session

 

New York, July 11-15, 2011

 

Statement of the National Rifle Association of America

Mr. Chairman, thank you for this brief opportunity to address the committee. I am Wayne LaPierre and for 20 years now, I have served as Executive Vice President of the National Rifle Association of America.

 

The NRA was founded in 1871, and ever since has staunchly defended the rights of its 4 million members, America's 80 million law-abiding gun owners, and freedom-loving Americans throughout our country. In 1996, the NRA was recognized as an NGO of the United Nations and, ever since then, has defended the constitutional freedom of Americans in this arena. The NRA is the largest and most active firearms rights organization in the world and, although some members of this committee may not like what I have to say, I am proud to defend the tens of millions of lawful people NRA represents.

 

This present effort for an Arms Trade Treaty, or ATT, is now in its fifth year. We have closely monitored this process with increasing concern. We've reviewed the statements of the countries participating in these meetings. We've listened to other NGOs and read their numerous proposals and reports, as well as carefully examined the papers you have produced. We've watched, and read ... listened and monitored. Now, we must speak out.

 

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms in defense of self, family and country is ultimately self-evident and is part of the Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution. Reduced to its core, it is about fundamental individual freedom, human worth, and self-destiny.

 

We reject the notion that American gun owners must accept any lesser amount of freedom in order to be accepted among the international community. Our Founding Fathers long ago rejected that notion and forged our great nation on the principle of freedom for the individual citizen - not for the government.

 

Mr. Chairman, those working on this treaty have asked us to trust them ... but they've proven to be unworthy of that trust.

 

We are told "Trust us; an ATT will not ban possession of any civilian firearms." Yet, the

 

proposals and statements presented to date have argued exactly the opposite, and - perhaps most importantly - proposals to ban civilian firearms ownership have not been rejected.

 

We are told "Trust us; an ATT will not interfere with state domestic regulation of firearms." Yet, there are constant calls for exactly such measures.

 

We are told "Trust us; an ATT will only affect the illegal trade in firearms." But then we're told that in order to control the illegal trade, all states must control the legal firearms trade.

 

We are told, "Trust us; an ATT will not require registration of civilian firearms." Yet, there are numerous calls for record-keeping, and firearms tracking from production to eventual destruction. That's nothing more than gun registration by a different name.

 

We are told, "Trust us; an ATT will not create a new international bureaucracy." Well, that's exactly what is now being proposed -- with a tongue-in-cheek assurance that it will just be a SMALL bureaucracy.

 

We are told, "Trust us; an ATT will not interfere with the lawful international commerce in civilian firearms." But a manufacturer of civilian shotguns would have to comply with the same regulatory process as a manufacturer of military attack helicopters.

 

We are told, "Trust us; an ATT will not interfere with a hunter or sport shooter travelling internationally with firearms." However, he would have to get a so-called "transit permit" merely to change airports for a connecting flight.

 

Mr. Chairman, our list of objections extends far beyond the proposals I just mentioned.

 

Unfortunately, my limited time today prevents me from providing greater detail on each of our objections. I can assure you, however, that each is based on American law, as well as the fundamental rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

 

It is regrettable that proposals affecting civilian firearms ownership are woven throughout the proposed ATT. That being the case, however, there is only one solution to this problem: the complete removal of civilian firearms from the scope of any ATT. I will repeat that point as it is critical and not subject to negotiation - civilian firearms must not be part of any ATT. On this there can be no compromise, as American gun owners will never surrender their Second Amendment freedom.

 

It is also regrettable to find such intense focus on record-keeping, oversight, inspections, supervision, tracking, tracing, surveillance, marking, documentation, verification, paper trails and data banks, new global agencies and data centers. Nowhere do we find a thought about respecting anyone's right of self-defense, privacy, property, due process, or observing personal freedoms of any kind.

 

Mr. Chairman, I'd be remiss if I didn't also discuss the politics of an ATT. For the United States to be a party to an ATT, it must be ratified by a two-thirds vote of the U.S. Senate. Some do not realize that under the U.S. Constitution, the ultimate treaty power is not the President's power to negotiate and sign treaties; it is the Senate's power to approve them.

 

To that end, it's important for the Preparatory Committee to understand that the proposed ATT is already strongly opposed in the Senate - the very body that must approve it by a two-thirds majority. There is a letter addressed to President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton that is currently being circulated for the signatures of Senators who oppose the ATT. Once complete, this letter will demonstrate that the proposed ATT will not pass the U.S. Senate.

 

So there is extremely strong resistance to the ATT in the United States, even before the treaty is tabled. We are not aware of any precedent for this - rejecting a proposed treaty before it's even submitted for consideration - but it speaks to the level of opposition. The proposed ATT has become more than just controversial, as the Internet is awash with articles and messages calling for its rejection. And those messages are all based on the same objection - infringement on the constitutional freedom of American gun owners.

 

The cornerstone of our freedom is the Second Amendment. Neither the United Nations, nor any other foreign influence, has the authority to meddle with the freedoms guaranteed by our Bill of Rights, endowed by our Creator, and due to all humankind.

 

Therefore, the NRA will fight with all of its strength to oppose any ATT that includes civilian firearms within its scope.

 

Thank you.

 

 

[Bigtwin 219]

OP are you surprised at any of this from O Bummer? I can only hope that the NRA and other gun right org's can work through this crap. We are only one judge away from total removal of the 2A in the supreme court!

[Bvamp 604]

with waiting periods, and already a number of states having "multiple reporting" for multiple handgun buying, and even some having laws for any multiple gun reporting laws, Ill say this -

 

idont care. I can make a single shot firearm, with the only thing i need being the materials, all of which are easy to get (yes, even to make the charge).

 

unfortunately, this is NOT new news. it is already in place in a lot of areas of the good old US of A.

 

edit to add - as an afterthought, the ATF is predominantly adding people with paralegal experience now, not with LEO experience. who needs more laws? just prosecute the ones written for a change....we're still screwed as average "gun joe". Why hire lawyers instead of enforcers? well....to go after us. o well.

Edited July 16, 2011 by Ben Vampatella

[G O B 3,516]

with waiting periods, and already a number of states having "multiple reporting" for multiple handgun buying, and even some having laws for any multiple gun reporting laws, Ill say this -

 

idont care. I can make a single shot firearm, with the only thing i need being the materials, all of which are easy to get (yes, even to make the charge).

 

unfortunately, this is NOT new news. it is already in place in a lot of areas of the good old US of A.

 

edit to add - as an afterthought, the ATF is predominantly adding people with paralegal experience now, not with LEO experience. who needs more laws? just prosecute the ones written for a change....we're still screwed as average "gun joe". Why hire lawyers instead of enforcers? well....to go after us. o well.

 

+1

Fire arms have been around for about 500 years. Making a functional firearm is not rocket science! We made zip guns in 7th grade shop class, regulate all you want, guns will be available to those who want them.

ALL THE LAWS IN THE WORLD WILL NOT KEEP THE LAWLESS FROM GETTING GUNS! Gun control can only disarm the law abiding citizen!

[evergreenkid29 14]

I know all this has been around for a bit, The main consern was them being sneaky about it and flying under the radar, They also said that President Put the law of reporting multi gun purchase right through without any votes, discussion. without anything.

 

What can we do to fight this or will we all have to come together after the fact???

[D.C.MORRISON 494]

we cannot fight it. things have gone too far. these satanists have been wiping their asses with our constitution for a very long time. the fourth amendment went down last month. the second has been a cruel joke since the thirties. the average american is a shallow, dumbed down ( in many cases medicated ) self absorbed , selfish , scumbag. the " enemies of all mankind " have been very successful . those of us that really care, are painted as nutbags, extremists.

sorry to shatter the illusion of land of the free, home of the brave, representative govt. where votes count. we are the last hold out. europe and england, canada, australia. all disarmed. south africa given to the communists. this attack to disarm us will never stop. no amount of money, politics or organizations will stop them. as proof of this, if my house were attacked to-nite by agency fill in blank. would my neighbors come to my aide? they did not even check on us during or after a fire we had years ago. so to truly fight them, because they have so many willing enforcers. means to go down fighting. with the knowledge that you will be labeled an extremist, gun nut, home grown terrorist.

for us christians, the best solution is the return of the Christ, this will bring about the destruction of the wicked. second best is a military coup, and execution of the traitors. i'm no prophet, but i think the second amend. might be on it's way out. and as a nation we are going to get spanked real hard.

[Saiga_rom 91]

under the radar? man, what kind of shit is that?

 

im gonna be pissed if they ban semi auto weapons. i still need to get an mp5, FN p90, RPK, FAL, AR10, SCAR, RPK, UMP45, s&w629, 92F, 1911, MPA10, and at least another two AK's in 7.62x39

 

enacting laws without even having the american people give their consent is just wrong. whats next? banning weights cause they dont want civilians to be able to defend themselves at all?

[saltydecimator 482]

declaration.....independence.................

 

 

i

ts

 

the

only

 

waay!

[chaseface 41]

We here in California have been dealing with this mess for a long time, minus the semi-auto ban. I sincerely hope that this does not happen nation wide.

[Buford T Justice 17]

If guns are banned and taken away what good is a hidden gun? You cannot use it because if you do then the govt will prosecute you to the nth degree. Self defense of your home will land you in prison.

[yakdung 2,926]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obfuscation-dems-push-gun-control-to-hide-gunwalker-scandal/

 

Yakdung

[G O B 3,516]

If guns are banned and taken away what good is a hidden gun? You cannot use it because if you do then the govt will prosecute you to the nth degree. Self defense of your home will land you in prison.

 

I used to run night calls on DC public housing. Guns were COMPLETELY banned in DC. However "It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Laws are what they are, surviving is what a man does to make it home to his family. Damn am I glad to be retired!