Honest Evaluation of the "SHTF" concept

[YOT 3,743]

How about a new revolution? VOTE ALL the bastards out! No matter what party NO INCUMBENT to survive the coming primaries!

 

And do away with the Electoral College! So many people don't even know that THAT'S how the president is really elected!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

Edited August 9, 2011 by Yeoldetool

[Heath_h49008 442]

That won't stop the Fed from printing money.

[crackback 135]

1929 things got like this... Sadly there still are places like this.

 

What event began 10 years later that got us out of it? What I am afraid of is what follows either hyperinflation or even moderate deflation using the Weimar republic as the most recent example. That reminds me of a great book I read, When Money Dies by Adam Fergusson.

Edited August 21, 2011 by 690gr

[YOT 3,743]

1929 things got like this... Sadly there still are places like this.

 

What event began 10 years later that got us out of it? What I am afraid of is what follows either hyperinflation or even moderate deflation using the Weimar republic as the most recent example. That reminds me of a great book I read, When Money Dies by Adam Fergusson.

 

Are you thinking of this?.......

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

[Heath_h49008 442]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

[YOT 3,743]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

Then what DID end the depression?

[patriot 7,197]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

 

 

 

Well said. Exactly correct.

 

 

 

[Captain No Problem 5]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

 

I'll agree with a lot of that, (especially the courts) but Deflation is not good. I know of no economist of any political/philisophical/religious bent who would say that.

 

Your money should not neccesarily go farther or less, your labor and its value should go farther because you are more productive. If goods are suddenly worth less money despite being more valuable in real terms, then suddenly you have a situation where ironically everyone is rich and nobody can get anything done. Hooray, 15 cent bread. But you just got laid off because you cost your employer the equivalent of 100K for a job they paid 50K for last year. And all that inventory they had is worth less by the day. And so they will lay you off, spend less money in every way, and the whole thing slogs down. One thing is sure, everything bought will be from somewhere else, because the dollar will go so much farther elsewhere. If $1 = 40 Euro, then who wouldnt buy VWs instead of Fords? Your new Focus costs 10KUSD, and that sounds just peachy, but that VW Jetta costs 2KUSD. And since you got laid off when your job got shipped, even the 2K is hard to come by. Ironically, with a weaker dollar, we have a better shot at killing the trade deficit that has been killing us for so long. If you think we were flooded with cheap crap at WalMart before, just wait until deflation hits. And when we hit even higher unemployment as a result of that, the dollar then goes down in value, and now you have people with not much cash and they are surrounded with relatively expensive goods. Assuming people bother to export stuff here at that point.

 

Defacto US economic policy for decades now has been to seek super low inflation. It promotes stability and growth by making capital available so people can create services, products, jobs, etc. If we get deflation, then your not going to get a loan to start a business. And you won't employ people. If we get inflation to a large extent, then you need tons of cash to do anything, and you wont start a business then either.

 

Runaway inflation is dangerous, but so if deflation. You want it to be a really low rate of change. The current FUBAR shows what happens when inflation gets out of hand. But deflation can do just as much damage if not more.

[Captain No Problem 5]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

Then what DID end the depression?

 

Our providing everything to rebuild the industrial base of the world, notably Europe and Japan. Who now enjoy some of the highest living standards of any areas on Earth. We basically got to sell everyone the stuff they broke. When we were done with that we had a sort of critical mass of economic activity here, not to mention a technological and educational edge that allowed us to make stuff nobody else really could on a scale they could not really match.

[Ken1961 14]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

Then what DID end the depression?

 

Our providing everything to rebuild the industrial base of the world, notably Europe and Japan. Who now enjoy some of the highest living standards of any areas on Earth. We basically got to sell everyone the stuff they broke. When we were done with that we had a sort of critical mass of economic activity here, not to mention a technological and educational edge that allowed us to make stuff nobody else really could on a scale they could not really match.

 

I remember being in the eighth grade and looking at my courses for ninth. Among them was US history. That got changed to "social studies". I asked mt history teacher what she thought of that. She shook her head and said something to the effect of, "when we quit teaching facts of history we're going to doom ourselves to repeating the mistakes that lead to ruin."

 

We began to lose our edge then. Once socialism began to creep into the schools.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

The "New Deal" didn't end the depression...

...it was our first socialist revolution. The Constitution was nullified by packing the courts, and we have never gone back.

 

WWII didn't end the depression.

If you mean us building bombs and sending our men to die, that is. Our economy improved when everybody else blew up their industrial bases, and we were left standing as the only source for many goods. 1945-46-47 were not great years, and the wartime rationing could hardly be called good times for the people. It wasn't until the 1950's we really got sorted out, because what we made was required to rebuild destroyed nations abroad.

 

Deflation is natural and good.

Deflation is defined as prices for goods and services going DOWN. But, as technology advances, this is exactly what should happen. People should find their money buys more than it used to. INFLATION only happens when the banks and politicians print money for themselves, spend it, and dilute the market. Their printing of money is nothing more than theft from the workers and thinkers who created the increased efficiency. To date we have lost 97% of the value of the US $ since the inception of the Federal Reserve. They could steal a little and the dollar would buy what it used to... but they have stolen so much more that the $ is now worth 3 cents.

 

 

We all know this stuff, but are taught the exact opposite in popular culture. THAT is the problem...

 

Then what DID end the depression?

 

Our providing everything to rebuild the industrial base of the world, notably Europe and Japan. Who now enjoy some of the highest living standards of any areas on Earth. We basically got to sell everyone the stuff they broke. When we were done with that we had a sort of critical mass of economic activity here, not to mention a technological and educational edge that allowed us to make stuff nobody else really could on a scale they could not really match.

 

I remember being in the eighth grade and looking at my courses for ninth. Among them was US history. That got changed to "social studies". I asked mt history teacher what she thought of that. She shook her head and said something to the effect of, "when we quit teaching facts of history we're going to doom ourselves to repeating the mistakes that lead to ruin."

 

We began to lose our edge then. Once socialism began to creep into the schools.

 

Best statement in this post

[Heath_h49008 442]

 

 

 

I'll agree with a lot of that, (especially the courts) but Deflation is not good. I know of no economist of any political/philisophical/religious bent who would say that.

 

Your money should not neccesarily go farther or less, your labor and its value should go farther because you are more productive. If goods are suddenly worth less money despite being more valuable in real terms, then suddenly you have a situation where ironically everyone is rich and nobody can get anything done. Hooray, 15 cent bread. But you just got laid off because you cost your employer the equivalent of 100K for a job they paid 50K for last year. And all that inventory they had is worth less by the day. And so they will lay you off, spend less money in every way, and the whole thing slogs down. One thing is sure, everything bought will be from somewhere else, because the dollar will go so much farther elsewhere. If $1 = 40 Euro, then who wouldnt buy VWs instead of Fords? Your new Focus costs 10KUSD, and that sounds just peachy, but that VW Jetta costs 2KUSD. And since you got laid off when your job got shipped, even the 2K is hard to come by. Ironically, with a weaker dollar, we have a better shot at killing the trade deficit that has been killing us for so long. If you think we were flooded with cheap crap at WalMart before, just wait until deflation hits. And when we hit even higher unemployment as a result of that, the dollar then goes down in value, and now you have people with not much cash and they are surrounded with relatively expensive goods. Assuming people bother to export stuff here at that point.

 

Defacto US economic policy for decades now has been to seek super low inflation. It promotes stability and growth by making capital available so people can create services, products, jobs, etc. If we get deflation, then your not going to get a loan to start a business. And you won't employ people. If we get inflation to a large extent, then you need tons of cash to do anything, and you wont start a business then either.

 

Runaway inflation is dangerous, but so if deflation. You want it to be a really low rate of change. The current FUBAR shows what happens when inflation gets out of hand. But deflation can do just as much damage if not more.

 

Deflation IS bad... for those in the banking/political/money printing industries. For anyone with money in their pocket they have earned, it is a good thing. Those people can now INVEST REAL SAVINGS. Actual production is rewarded.

 

Think about computer and cell phone prices... the industry is facing rabid deflation! So is the Internet! (Remember paying AOL by the minute?) Are those industries doing well? Are the people that use those industries getting more for their money? Oh hell yes.

 

Deflation is the great boogie man of Keynesian economics, because it would seem to imply a lack of money in the economy upon which to trade... but economies functioned quite well for centuries without inflation when they used "Hard" currency. If you want to understand what works, I hate to say it this way, you need to ignore almost anything said by any economist of note for the last 80-100 years.

 

Our lending practices are so loose right now, they make the whore of Babylon look like Mother Teresa. All we have done is fund malinvestments, and sown the seeds of the current dysfunction.

[LeoPTY 24]

I'll agree with a lot of that, (especially the courts) but Deflation is not good. I know of no economist of any political/philisophical/religious bent who would say that.

 

Your money should not neccesarily go farther or less, your labor and its value should go farther because you are more productive. If goods are suddenly worth less money despite being more valuable in real terms, then suddenly you have a situation where ironically everyone is rich and nobody can get anything done. Hooray, 15 cent bread. But you just got laid off because you cost your employer the equivalent of 100K for a job they paid 50K for last year. And all that inventory they had is worth less by the day. And so they will lay you off, spend less money in every way, and the whole thing slogs down. One thing is sure, everything bought will be from somewhere else, because the dollar will go so much farther elsewhere. If $1 = 40 Euro, then who wouldnt buy VWs instead of Fords? Your new Focus costs 10KUSD, and that sounds just peachy, but that VW Jetta costs 2KUSD. And since you got laid off when your job got shipped, even the 2K is hard to come by. Ironically, with a weaker dollar, we have a better shot at killing the trade deficit that has been killing us for so long. If you think we were flooded with cheap crap at WalMart before, just wait until deflation hits. And when we hit even higher unemployment as a result of that, the dollar then goes down in value, and now you have people with not much cash and they are surrounded with relatively expensive goods. Assuming people bother to export stuff here at that point.

 

Defacto US economic policy for decades now has been to seek super low inflation. It promotes stability and growth by making capital available so people can create services, products, jobs, etc. If we get deflation, then your not going to get a loan to start a business. And you won't employ people. If we get inflation to a large extent, then you need tons of cash to do anything, and you wont start a business then either.

 

Runaway inflation is dangerous, but so if deflation. You want it to be a really low rate of change. The current FUBAR shows what happens when inflation gets out of hand. But deflation can do just as much damage if not more.

 

Deflation IS bad... for those in the banking/political/money printing industries. For anyone with money in their pocket they have earned, it is a good thing. Those people can now INVEST REAL SAVINGS. Actual production is rewarded.

 

Think about computer and cell phone prices... the industry is facing rabid deflation! So is the Internet! (Remember paying AOL by the minute?) Are those industries doing well? Are the people that use those industries getting more for their money? Oh hell yes.

 

Deflation is the great boogie man of Keynesian economics, because it would seem to imply a lack of money in the economy upon which to trade... but economies functioned quite well for centuries without inflation when they used "Hard" currency. If you want to understand what works, I hate to say it this way, you need to ignore almost anything said by any economist of note for the last 80-100 years.

 

Our lending practices are so loose right now, they make the whore of Babylon look like Mother Teresa. All we have done is fund malinvestments, and sown the seeds of the current dysfunction.

 

Well said. Deflation benefits savers and the consumer when falling prices are due to increased productivity.

[Black3 16]

We'd all be well advised to study, seriously study, the history of the Roman Empire. When I say seriously I mean real academic history, not the standard HS and church canon that is completely Eurocentric and also heavily filtered by the Roman Catholic Church. Most popular assumptions about Rome are based on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Well it is true that the Western Roman Empire did somewhat decline from the 200s but when the end of the Western Empire came, it fell with a crash and did so very quickly.

 

In the first quarter of the 5th Century AD (400s) the Roman Empire still had a Global economy. North Africa and Egypt provided grain for most of the Empire. French and German wines were in the cellar from Hadrian's Wall to the Euphrates River and in the villa rustica of the farms in Africa. You could travel on a paved road in safety from Hadrian's Wall in the North of Britain to the Euphrates obeying the same laws and using the same sound currency. A prosperous merchant or Roman bureaucrat in Belgium, France, Spain, Romania, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Morrocco, (using modern names) and all the other parts of the Roman world would have a house with running water, flush toilets, and central heat. There would be beautiful art on the floors and walls and the goods and furnishings in the home would have come from the best artisans from all over the Empire.

 

In fifty years it all ceased to exist in the Western Empire. Some of it was the result of "barbarian" invasions, but much of the collapse was from that familiar trinity: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. The productive members of Western Roman society lost faith in the Imperial government and looked to their own. The villa rustica became the fortified villa. The coloni, Roman citizens working as tenant farmers, became serfs. Trade over long distances simply ceased and each villa became an independent subsistance farm. In what had been the Western Roman Empire, it was almost a thousand years before common people would own anything not made or grown in their own village. In a World lit only by fire and in which nothing travelled more than 20-30 miles a day, it took about 50 years for the thousand year order of the Western Roman Empire to recede into the realm of magic and myth. In a world where everything moves at the speed of light, it will happen much, much more quickly.

 

Oh, and if you'd really like the standard canon challenged, delve into the history of the Eastern Roman Empire. They managed to maintain a high level of Roman technology and civilzation for another thousand years after the West slouched into barbarism. Were it not for the Byzantine's heroic efforts to stem the Muslim tide for almost a thousand years, we would never have existed and the whole Western World would be locked in the grip of an 8th Century barbaric cult. 1492 isn't just the year that Columbus sailed the ocean blue, it is also the year the Ferdinand and Isabella drove the last Muslim invader out of Spain. In the east, the Ottoman Turks were at the gates of Vienna in 1586 until finally defeated and driven back by Christian forces. Our recent unpleasantness in the Balkans stems from the fact that some valleys were conquered by the Muslims, some were held by the Christians. History is a bitch, but she's a rewarding bitch if you take the time to know her.

[Heath_h49008 442]

^^^^^ Amen. Rome may be the better analogy. When the US$ falls, it will be a global collapse because the other fiat currencies are so tied to it. In Zimbabwe and Germany they could just use the currency of a neighboring country, we won't have that option.

[saltydecimator 482]

just look at how fucked our rules of engagement are.

 

Politicians should have no say/input on military ROEs.

Let the military fight/end the wars the politicians start, they get to start'em, but let the fucking soldiers finish'em!

 

i couldnt agree more. its a big part of the reason i didnt re-enlist.

+1 HUGE consideration there...

 

When you see a VBIED comming at you do you want to...

 

A.) Fire a star cluster to the sky, then another one at the vehicle, rack your crew served weapon to ready it, fire a minimum of three tracers into the ground, then attempt to disable the vehicle, and as a last possible outcome finaly engage the driver. Keep in mind that you will be doing paperwork on all of this later to explain your actions to your higher brass who will hold you accountable.

 

or

 

B.) Rack the .50 and unleash hell on the cab.

 

 

C! The mark 19 silly!

[magsite20 1,664]

[BpS12 512]

Edited August 28, 2011 by BpS12

[datrowl 111]

My biggest concern ATM is China who owns the VAST majority of US debt starting to build and retrofit russian carriers, unveiling a new stealth plane, which is an exact copy of a Russian design, the fact that Russia's power is again on the rise while China sits argueably at the top of the heap atm, the fact that the US is broke, our allies are broke, we are already being invaded from the south, the politicians seem to be unable to see how serious this shit is and its all buisness as usual, and the fact that atm the US is one of the most globally hated nations in the world.

 

 

aside from that, what I expect to see happon much sooner than the Russian/Chinese start of WWIII is ......and follow me on this one just a little bit

 

 

Al Quida finally gets smart and takes it to a whole new level, get in contact with N Korea who also hates us with a passion, secures a couple small nukes, Dresses a few suicide bombers in sombraros and drops em with the nukes in south mexico where they travel by land to north mexico, barter with the mexican drug lords for passage stateside thru use of their tunnel system, which should be far enough underground that the US satalites loose track of the small nukes... pop out on our dirt just south of heavy population areas in TX. AZ. and CA. and detonate... the small nukes wouldn't do much damage unless blown in middle of the bigger cities, but the massive stampeed of refugees fleeing the south would wash over the northern half of the southern states like a flood... people shooting you in your home for a can of beans to feed their families with, massive auto theft, wholesale slaughter of livestock in the fields to feed large groups of fleeing people...

 

not all zombies are undead, the half starved radiation sick refugees who sadly don't understand they are already dead and just havent quit moveing yet i think would qualify.

 

it would degenerate quickly and be VERY ugly

 

just my paranoid fantasy

[BpS12 512]

Datrowl, what makes you think they're not already here. In the midst of a big city, or several. And just "sleeping" till the signal is given.

 

Also, what makes you think it's Al quida? These days it could be most anyone, including some of our very own "Patriots" seeking to move things along and take control faster than the current electoral system will let them.

 

Na, you're not paraniod. But we're working on it,

[nlacy 692]

My SHTF Plan: prepare for a zombie attack, because if you're ready for that, you're ready for just about other SHTF scenerio.

 

The best thing to come out of the CDC ever!

 

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp

[bigj480 203]

I voted for "An excuse for people on gun forms to buy stuff they don't need". I'm not going to say that one should not worry at all or should not be prepared, but people take it too far. I understand some people might even enjoy talking about it of buying relevant stuff, but just admit that's what it is. Being prpaird for natural disasters and the situations that follow is fine. Most of those supplies are not firearm related, but some certainly are.

[ben4345 123]

Preparedness is becoming a hobby for me and my girlfriend. What else can teach you everything from shooting a rifle to gardening?

[Scott Kenny 144]

Put me down for 'another excuse to buy guns.'

 

Now, as far as deflation goes, neither inflation nor deflation are good. Inflation is good for people who borrow money (most US consumers. Raise your hand if you have a credit card). Deflation is good for people who lend money.

 

Have you heard the story of the German lady who had bought a house shortly after WW1 ended? When hyperinflation set in during the 1930s, she went out back and collected a couple dozen eggs, then took those into the bank to pay off her house.

 

The other side of that is the US farmers during the Great Depression. The farmers had borrowed money to buy the tractors, etc, but when deflation set in and food prices collapsed they couldn't make the payments on their equipment or land.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Scott Kenny

[MT Predator 2,294]

My SHTF Plan: prepare for a zombie attack, because if you're ready for that, you're ready for just about other SHTF scenerio.

 

The best thing to come out of the CDC ever!

 

http://www.bt.cdc.go...ombies_blog.asp

Fucking Zombies are supposed to be slow undead, (and unarmed) corpses, risen from a grave. My Grandmother can deal with that shit with a shotty and enough ammo. Try a population of people without jobs, families to feed, nothing to lose, plus armed just as much as you are, looking at anything and everything to support his family. Better be prepared for a gunfight seriously because they will make all the Armed Home Intrusions in the last few years look silly.

[Buford T Justice 17]

I picked option 3 because it is starting to happen now. It is by design that it is happening and most logical people know who is behind it and why.

 

My SHTF Plan: prepare for a zombie attack, because if you're ready for that, you're ready for just about other SHTF scenerio.

 

The best thing to come out of the CDC ever!

 

http://www.bt.cdc.go...ombies_blog.asp

 

Best way to prepare for a zombie attack is to watch "Night of the Living Dead". I just watched it again as a refresher.

Edited November 23, 2011 by Buford T Justice

[DogMan 2,343]

Well, I just took a big step in being prepared for, if not SHTF, then at least some major inconvenience. I picked up a 12kw whole house generator to run on propane. The power went out last night for a few hours and I hope next time that happens I can just chill for about 30 seconds a watch everything automatically power back up. I just need to get a 500 gallon propane tank hooked to it and call the electrician. If any one else is thinking of doing this I highly recommend not waiting until this time of year like I did. Lots of other people have the same idea and it takes longer to get somebody out to get you set up.

Edited November 23, 2011 by DogMan

[MT Predator 2,294]

Hope you can find a Propane supplier when it does hit the fan. Just saying. I would opt for something I can feed with a Jerrycan if needed because of the ease of refueling without the need for a truck and a specialized pump to refill your tank(s).

[dayofruin 425]

I voted a while back and chose option 3 as well. Lots of interesting replies here but this is what my closest friends and I have had in mind for the near future. Not to mention that our government is promoting preparedness as well. It may have been there before but it seems like there is a pretty strong and growing focus on SHTF preparedness endorsement over the last few years.

[DogMan 2,343]

Hope you can find a Propane supplier when it does hit the fan. Just saying. I would opt for something I can feed with a Jerrycan if needed because of the ease of refueling without the need for a truck and a specialized pump to refill your tank(s).

To tell you the truth, I got this generator mainly just to supply power during routine power outages. That said, I can still get a solid ten days of power out of one full tank, 20 or more if I ration it. I am also going to talk to the tank supplier about having a fitting attached where I can hook up a semi-portable 100 gallon tank in case I need to go out and get propane myself and bring it back rather than have it delivered.