chevyman097 2,579 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) Just caught a new report that a heli went down in afghanistan killing 31 troops including seal team six.....The team that killed Bin laden? Dunno how accurate it is but RIP none the less. A blessings to their families. Edited: meant for title to say "20 members of" but meh gets the point across, I fail at multi tasking. Edited August 6, 2011 by Chevyman097 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly 233 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Where's my tinfoil............. =S= 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Where's my tinfoil............. =S= Hows this sly? TIn foil? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44043847/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AFGHANISTAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-06-06-27-19 Sad day, Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) Hmmm... they are all dead? So, no need to look for them for interviews, revenge, or worship? That's... interesting. Either they were sold out by someone (Afghans) and ambushed, or it's a convenient way to make them "Go away" if they weren't on that Chinook. Odd... I can only hope it was all bullshit and nobody actually had to die. I wish the best to anyone who did. Edited August 6, 2011 by Heath_h49008 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesmadison 55 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Personally, I prefer not to get my news from the left wing wackos at MSNBC, but God rest the souls of our American brothers and sisters. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) Personally, I prefer not to get my news from the left wing wackos at MSNBC, but God rest the souls of our American brothers and sisters. Me either but it was quick to google. Just providing a quick since im some how wearing a tin foil hat for thinking that American troops would die in a war zone. I mean come on right. anways, really sad. Best to their families and friends. Edited August 6, 2011 by Chevyman097 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Personally, I prefer not to get my news from the left wing wackos at MSNBC, but God rest the souls of our American brothers and sisters. Me either but it was quick to google. Just providing a quick since im some how wearing a tin foil hat for thinking that American troops would die in a war zone. I mean come on right. anways, really sad. Best to their families and friends. The tinfoil might be due to the possibility of claiming huge targets got killed. I don't think it applies, however. I really HOPE it's just an attempt to get these guys "Off the radar" by telling people they were killed. It makes me feel better than to think some cave dwelling, illiterate trash managed to find out where they were, and then successfully ambush their chopper with rpgs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashowdy 141 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I could see this being a way to get them off the radar and hopefully that is the case. If not then R.I.P. and condolences to family and friends. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 An updated version states none of them were part of the raid that took out Bin Laden, but were members of Seal team six. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 An updated version states none of them were part of the raid that took out Bin Laden, but were members of Seal team six. Thats the same report I read...... RIP to those Soldiers that gave their lives for our freedom may you all be in a better place now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesmadison 55 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Yes, but even an intentionally false report of the members of Seal Team 6 that took out Pig Laden being killed by diaper heads would be providing propaganda to same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Today is a truly sad day for America, and freedom around the world. God bless the troops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 It might be a cover so that those guys can go live out the rest of their lives without constantly looking over their shoulders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacSat 90 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Prayers for those families. And for the 31 Brave souls. but dont believe everything you read. During Desert Storm there was misinformation everywhere. Spec ops covers a wide a ray of jobs. not just the teams. or SF. To think that syops does not exist is tin foil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 ABC is reporting the same thing, so it would appear the story is legit... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 ABC is reporting the same thing, so it would appear the story is legit... No, we should just join the other disrespectful shits and put on our tin foil hats. Again RIP troops and peace be with their family. Some of you should really jump off a cliff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) The media has SEAL Team 6 on the brain after the Bin Laden raid. If a SEAL is KIA from now on, it would most likely be reported he was from Team 6 as the media are fucking retards. CJSOTF in Afghanistan knows better than to release the fact they were Team 6 members as AQ and the Taliban would use it as positive propaganda. They are not releasing this so the Bin Laden raid members can simply "fade" away. Those guys can disappear anytime without a media circus and have been operating virtually invisible to the media for a very long time. It was actually surprising they said Team 6 did Bin Laden in instead of just stating SOF or SEALs did it to begin with. Maybe some or all of these SEALs were Team 6 guys but it still doesn't mean it's the same guys who snuffed Usama. Either way, some very valuable Special Operations personnel were lost. May they rest in peace. One source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force Tactical Air Control Party Specialists, seven Afghan National Army troops, a Military Working Dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew which was a 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment MH-47F Chinook. The helicopter was alledgedly hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi Valley of Wardak Province to the west of Kabul. ETA: I've gone through the Tangi Valley in a Blackhawk and I can see how this was totally possible with a RPG. Some of the passes we went through were so high up, the UH-60 was working really hard to gain altitude in places and we slowed way the hell down getting through there. Also, parts were very narrow with steep cliffs on both sides. You could see donkey paths that were higher up than the aircraft was flying. You could have taken out the helo with a handgrenade from above. Edited August 7, 2011 by MT Predator 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 You CAN take down a Chinook with a RPG. Operation Red Wing, Afghanistan, June 2005. The Chinook carrying a team to rescue four SEALs from Team 10 was downed with a RPG killing 16. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koljec 37 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Too many eggs in one basket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Too many eggs in one basket. This is what someone brought up in the comments section on one of the new sites I read about this on. They pointed out how it seemed weird to have so many elite soldiers on a relatively slow, large chopper, flying directly into a hot zone. They went on to question why the group wasn't split up into smaller, faster moving birds. Does sound kinda fishy, to my non-military mind. What says you vets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Did the Commander and Chief mention the deaths of our soldiers today when he had a press conference? Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Too many eggs in one basket. This is what someone brought up in the comments section on one of the new sites I read about this on. They pointed out how it seemed weird to have so many elite soldiers on a relatively slow, large chopper, flying directly into a hot zone. They went on to question why the group wasn't split up into smaller, faster moving birds. Does sound kinda fishy, to my non-military mind. What says you vets? The Chinook is really the only rotary wing asset that performs at those altitudes found in Afghanistan. We are talking mountains that make the Rockies look silly. In fact, the Chinook is the fastest cargo helicopter we have. The Blackhawk is an awesome platform and is more manueverable but it's performance is really degraded over there slowing it down big time. There are some places the Blackhawk cannot go at all because of altitude but the Chinook can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CBR Shadow 53 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/10/afghanistan.seals.chopper/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Sounds like we got'em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) The media has SEAL Team 6 on the brain after the Bin Laden raid. God Bless our Fallen Soldiers and Fuck the News Media! Edited August 10, 2011 by BuffetDestroyer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) An updated version states none of them were part of the raid that took out Bin Laden, but were members of Seal team six. How does anyone know? I thought the seals on the osama raid were never named, yet the media is sure none of these guys were involved? And frankly, I would have requested Obama NOT say a prayer over my coffin- the guy doesn't even salute the flag most of the time.. plus he's called the Quran holy.. I'd consider it a dishonor. Edited August 10, 2011 by volkov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Too many eggs in one basket. That was my first reaction to the high casualty count. War is hell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 An updated version states none of them were part of the raid that took out Bin Laden, but were members of Seal team six. How does anyone know? I thought the seals on the osama raid were never named, yet the media is sure none of these guys were involved? And frankly, I would have requested Obama NOT say a prayer over my coffin- the guy doesn't even salute the flag most of the time.. plus he's called the Quran holy.. I'd consider it a dishonor. No shit! Only priviledged folks in the DOD know who was on that team. Now, mainstream media is able to cut through the bullshit and ID these Warriors? Alrighty then! As far as Obama doing anything relating to a Military funeral or a Retirement for that matter, FUCK HIM! I'm so glad my Retirement Certificate was signed by W. and not his dumb ass! At least we alledgedly got the perps who fired that infamous RPG with a F-16 CAS mission. I don't know how they actually know they got "the guy" but we got some smelly bearded fuckers in the process anyway. Rest assured, there were US military assets on the ground that called in that CAS and the ordnance didn't just simply drop on goat herders. They got somebody packing heat either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Too many eggs in one basket. That was my first reaction to the high casualty count. War is hell. In reference to my post above regarding the performance between the UH-60 Blackhawk and the CH/MH-46 Chinook aircraft in the high altitudes of Afghanistan, it's a mission and terrain derived decision on what aircraft to use. Some places there, they won't even risk one Blackhawk let alone multiples to haul that many troops. They are slower than snail shit at those altitudes and you could take them down with a Mosin Nagant with multiple shots, working that slow assed bolt. The Chinook is the king dealing with those altitudes because of the dual rotors but drink up some damn fuel doing so and creating more wear and tear on the aircraft. Factor in the cost of maintaining that big bird vs the smaller UH-60. Money, sorry to say, is one of the main deciding factors on how many of those big expensive birds to use for a particular mission. If it were cheaper to fly one Chinook vs multiple ones, there you have it. We had stuff that was sling load certified for a Blackhawk...in the US. Shit would only fly under a Chinook over there. Hope you see where I'm coming from. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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